The desire to find one has been the only 'plus' from reading the book.
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Looks like they run from about $30 up to around $200.
Posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by 4CJ
THOMASVILLE -- Nelson Winbush knows his voice isn't likely to be heard above the crowd that writes American history books. That doesn't keep him from speaking his mind, however.
A 75-year-old black man whose grandfather proudly fought in the gray uniform of the South during the Civil War, Winbush addressed a group of about 40 at the Thomas County Museum of History Sunday afternoon. To say the least, his perspective of the war differs greatly from what is taught in America's classrooms today.
"People have manufactured a lot of mistruths about why the war took place," he said. "It wasn't about slavery. It was about state's rights and tariffs."
Many of Winbush's words were reserved for the Confederate battle flag, which still swirls amid controversy more than 150 years after it originally flew.
"This flag has been lied about more than any flag in the world," Winbush said. "People see it and they don't really know what the hell they are looking at."
About midway through his 90-minute presentation, Winbush's comments were issued with extra force.
"This flag is the one that draped my grandfathers' coffin," he said while clutching it strongly in his left hand. "I would shudder to think what would happen if somebody tried to do something to this particular flag."
Winbush, a retired in educator and Korean War veteran who resides in Kissimmee, Fla., said the Confederate battle flag has been hijacked by racist groups, prompting unwarranted criticism from its detractors.
"This flag had nothing to with the (Ku Klux) klan or skinheads," he said while wearing a necktie that featured the Confederate emblem. "They weren't even heard of then. It was just a guide to follow in battle.
"That's all it ever was."
Winbush said Confederate soldiers started using the flag with the St. Andrews cross because its original flag closely resembled the U.S. flag. The first Confederate flag's blue patch in an upper corner and its alternating red and white stripes caused confusion on the battlefield, he said.
"Neither side (of the debate) knows what the flag represents," Winbush said. "It's dumb and dumber. You can turn it around, but it's still two dumb bunches.
"If you learn anything else today, don't be dumb."
Winbush learned about the Civil War at the knee of Louis Napoleon Nelson, who joined his master and one of his master's sons in battle voluntarily when he was 14. Nelson saw combat at Lookout Mountain, Bryson's Crossroads, Shiloh and Vicksburg.
"At Shiloh, my grandfather served as a chaplain even though he couldn't read or write," said Winbush, who bolstered his points with photos, letters and newspapers that used to belong to his grandfather. "I've never heard of a black Yankee holding such an office, so that makes him a little different."
Winbush said his grandfather, who also served as a "scavenger," never had any qualms about fighting for the South. He had plenty of chances to make a break for freedom, but never did. He attended 39 Confederate reunions, the final one in 1934. A Sons of Confederate Veterans Chapter in Tennessee is named after him.
"People ask why a black person would fight for the Confederacy. (It was) for the same damned reason a white Southerner did," Winbush explained.
Winbush said Southern blacks and whites often lived together as extended families., adding slaves and slave owners were outraged when Union forces raided their homes. He said history books rarely make mention of this.
"When the master and his older sons went to war, who did he leave his families with?" asked Winbush, who grandfather remained with his former owners 12 years after the hostilities ended. "It was with the slaves. Were his (family members) mistreated? Hell, no!
"They were protected."
Winbush said more than 90,000 blacks, some of them free, fought for the Confederacy. He has said in the past that he would have fought by his grandfather's side in the 7th Tennessee Cavalry led by Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest.
After his presentation, Winbush opened the floor for questions. Two black women, including Jule Anderson of the Thomas County Historical Society Board of Directors, told him the Confederate battle flag made them uncomfortable.
Winbush, who said he started speaking out about the Civil War in 1992 after growing weary of what he dubbed "political correctness," was also challenged about his opinions.
"I have difficulty in trying to apply today's standards with what happened 150 years ago," he said to Anderson's tearful comments. "...That's what a lot of people are attempting to do. I'm just presenting facts, not as I read from some book where somebody thought that they understood. This came straight from the horse's mouth, and I refute anybody to deny that."
Thomas County Historical Society Board member and SVC member Chip Bragg moved in to close the session after it took a political turn when a white audience member voiced disapproval of the use of Confederate symbols on the state flag. Georgia voters are set to go to the polls a week from today to pick a flag to replace the 1956 version, which featured the St. Andrew's cross prominently.
"Those of us who are serious about our Confederate heritage are very unhappy with the trivialization of Confederate symbols and their misuse," he said. "Part of what we are trying to do is correct this misunderstanding."
he/she/it is a real "piece of work".
in one skin you seemingly have an ignorant,arrogant,racist,semi-literate,insensitive DUMBbunny, who will neither listen to nor learn the TRUTH.
sounds like a damnyankee to me.
BUT i'm really glad he/she/it is around as it lets me post the TRUTH to smarter people here.
AND every hatefilled, stupid post of the lunatic unionist fringe CONVERTS more Freepers to SOUTHRONS!
that is a GOOD thing!
free dixie,sw
From the proclamation:
And whereas, the President of the United States, by further proclamation issued on the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, did promulgate and declare, that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens, or others, to the authority of the United States in any, or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State, or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed, and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States, prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States;...And whereas, subsequently to the said second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, the insurrection in the State of Texas has been completely and everywhere suppressed and ended, and the authority of the United States has been successfully and completely established in the said State of Texas, and now remains therein unresisted and undisputed, and such of the proper United States officers as have been duly commissioned within the limits of the said State, are now in undisturbed exercise of their official functions;
...Now, therefore, I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the State of Texas is at an end, and is to be henceforth so regarded in that State, as in the other States before named, in which the said insurrection was proclaimed to be at an end, by the aforesaid proclamation of the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six.
...Done at the city of Washington this twentieth day of August, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, and of the Independence of the United States of America the ninety-first.
[signed ANDREW JOHNSON]
The desire to find one has been the only 'plus' from reading the book.
Stone Mountain Commemerative Coins on Ebay
Looks like they run from about $30 up to around $200.
It doesn't match what is on the mountain.
Curious claim, plant boy, seeing as this alleged statement of Brown does not appear in the vicinity of the said discussion from the Congressional Globe. Either it is somewhere else (unlikely) or you made it up entirely, as seems to be your pattern around here. You know, making up pseudonyms, making up facts...
After all, Spooner advocated not only that the US constitution was legally invalid, but that the same legally invalid document gave the Federal Government the right to march into a slave state and seize billions of dollars of private property from it's owners.
Wrong and wrong. Spooner's argument against the legal validity of the constitution came AFTER the civil war and essentially stated that the events of the civil war had voided a previously working contract of government.
Small wonder your boy Spooner is so overwhelmingly attractive to Marxists
Huh? Spooner is generally considered to be one of the most libertarian philosophers to have ever lived. He is regularly ranked to the RIGHT of Hayek and even Rothbard. One cannot physically get any further away from marxism than that. In the meantime, I'll also note that Karl Marx himself was one of Europe's most vocal champions of the Abe Lincoln cause from 1861-65. Of course you probably know that already, considering your familiarity with marxism that led you to post marxist link and doctrines under your earlier pseudonyms Titus Fikus and LLAN-DDEUSSANT. You know - the same websites and passages that got you banned from FR previously.
"I suppose you will want your Massachusetts troops sent.""Oh," said I, "not Massachusetts men to shoot down New Yorkers; that won't do."
Thou shalt not secede. Secessionists will burn in hell.
</Sarcasm>
What's your idea of "authoritativeness", dude? What winds your watch for you?
HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION OF THE MISSOURISaint Louis,.Mo., May 23, 1865.
Lieut. Gen. U. S. GRANT,
General-in- Chief:Excerpt:
This question is now directly and barely presented. Either the extermination of the Indian tribes by force or some policy of supporting them by the General Government at places, where, deprived of arms and of the power to do injury or indulge their wandering habits, they can be subsisted and protected and subjected, under the most favorable circumstances, to all the influences of education and Christianity.
JNO. POPE,
Major-General, Commanding.
Which explains why all the big slaveowners voted for John Bell and the Constitutional Union Party in 1860.
But then you knew that, right? You knew about the Southern Unionists and how they carried Texas and Virginia by wide margins, right -- and why? You wouldn't post in ignorance or anything, would you? As in, open mouth, insert foot?
And you sneer at other people.
See the last few grafs of nolu chan's pinged post.
Some things never change -- this guy could have been taking policy tips from Alan Greenspan.
Thanks to rustbucket for the correction. And me with a copy of Fehrenbach on my shelf.
Looks like coins in F-VF condition are pretty reasonable about $10-20.
And I see it's a half-dollar, which was a pretty good pallette on which to work. I really admire the coin designs of the early part of this century.
Butler: "I then issued my General Order No 1, in which I made it plain that there were several thousand secessionists in New York. They were there in such numbers as to impede the Union men getting lodgings and boarding-house accommodations, the landlords saying that they could let all the room they had to Southerners at their own prices. I took care that the Southerners should understand that means would be taken for their identification, and that whoever of them should vote would be dealt with in such a manner as to make them uncomfortable. That was sufficient, and substantially no Southerners [secessionists] voted at the polls on election day."
Well gee, that was fair. </sarcasm>
He was talking code, and meaning McClellan supporters.
Real Southerners would have to bathe for a week, to wash participation in a New York election off of them.
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