An opposing view: Descendant of black Confederate soldier speaks at museum

Historian, I've discovered that those temporary query locations of Congressional records are temporary and may only work from the computer that made the query. That's why I posted the page itself.

YEP!

FUNNY though, the REVISIONIST, lying,arrogant damnyankee historians/historiographers just can't seem to locate information on these ALL-black CSA units,despite the FACT that the ORIGIONAL SERVICE RECORDS are in the US Archives building in the nations capitol!

NEITHER can they discover that the PACSA was totally DE-segregated by religion/race/ethnic group by 1863, despite the FACT that there have been at least TWO British scholars, who had no trouble finding that PRECISE data.

to quote Professor Arnold Toynbee in 1955, "by happenstance, the CSA military was MULTI-racial by early 1863. this was the FIRST (emphasis mine)large, wholly multi-ethnic military force, since Imperial Rome fell."

one can only surmise that US historians do not WANT to find the same data!

btw, the CS Marine Corps was ALWAYS DE-segregated, down to platoon level;the US Marines accepted their FIRST NON-white enlisted Marine (the first of many Navaho "codetalkers"!)in 1942.the first black US Marines were accepted in the mid-1950s, after Korea.

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i WISH that there was a SIMPLE yes/no answer to this question, but alas there is NOT!

SOME AIs INDIVIDUALLY served IN the PACSA;some mostly-Indian UNITS served in the PACSA;some ALL-Indian units remained ATTACHED to, but NOT PART OF, the PACSA & SOME UNITS remained under TRIBAL control, throughout the WBTS.

like most things in the WBTS era, there is no simple answer.

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you'll be BEHIND me!

i've tried for about 10 YEARS to buy a first edition, with NO luck!

i have a STANDING request @ Portals Press to send me any copy they MIGHT find!

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i AM angry at the lunatic fringe of the FR unionist group.

they seem to think LIES & HATEfulness are a good substitute for TRUTH. alas for them, FACTS are FACTS, despite their continual denial of those facts.

the ONLY one of the lunatic-unionist group on FR, who has a brain is N-S; he is educated,smart AND a propagandist. i call him the Damnyankee Minister of Propaganda.

'ole #3 is one of the hatefilled,arrogantly IGNORANT unionists. ditto, x, whisky papa and SADLY several others here are the LESS knowledgeable, but MORE HATE-filled members of that cliche.

to illustrate my point, consider this: ONE of the lunatics (i think it MAY have been whisky papa, but am NOT sure) actually said that: The records at the US Archives can not be believed, as everyone knows the stinking rebels have contaminated everything there.

as the Archives are a part of the US Government, this should tell you how out-of-touch with reality that some of the unionists here are.

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TRUE!

TRUTH will out.

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GEN Stand Watie was NEVER a principle chief of the Cherokees. he was not even a war chief.

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fyi, the enlistment rolls of the FIRST MOUNTED CHEROKEE RIFLES is still OPEN.

it is NOT a re-enactment unit, but rather a part of our tribal government.<P.free dixie,sw

fyi, the enlistment rolls of the FIRST MOUNTED CHEROKEE RIFLES is still OPEN.

it is NOT a re-enactment unit, but rather a part of our tribal government.

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WELL DONE!

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I have been watching this exchange between Nolu chan and #3Fan about the secession. #3Fan keeps referring to the fourth amendment, ...and referring, ....and referring,...and referring. His argument is so circular that he must be getting NASCAR lap money.

There was another legal document that made secession illegal, and gave the President power to deal with it. I will search for it and get back to you.

I found it! It was on t.v. quite a while ago when Jeraldo was opening vaults.

Sunday Evening from Foxxx News

Brit Humm: Good evening and welcome. Tonight on Foxxx News, we have a special report from our field correspondent, Jeraldo Riviera.

Jeraldo, what’s going on??

Jeraldo Riviera: I am revisiting history, Brit.

After years of searching throughout the provincial capital here and surrounding areas, we have located a vault that is promising in that there is some slight evidence of WMD. That is what we have been seeking. Tonight, we plan to open this vault and reveal to the world what we find.

Brit Humm: Before the War, the President stated flatly that the enemy threatened our country's stability because of our enemy's intention to export dangerous materials. Some have criticized him for misleading the people. Some have voiced extreme opposition to his actions, which they claim have far exceeded his Presidential power.

Jeraldo Riviera: That is right, Brit. Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight, here in Boston, we hope to find, for all the world to see, evidence that will support the president's actions.

All right crew, open the vault! As the door swings open, I would like to introduce our audience to the President's Legal and Constitutional adviser, Mr. William Seward, former Secretary of State.

Britt Humm: What do you expect to find tonight?

William Seward: Well, many of the public, especially in the South, have emphatically stated that the President far exceeded Constitutional restrictions in his conduct of the war.

Britt Humm: During the war, there were not any WMD found that would be justification for his actions.

Jeraldo Riviera: Well, not exactly. We did find small amounts, but it was the delivery system that was so dangerous.

Britt Humm: What small amounts were found?

Jeraldo Riviera: We found small amounts of tobacco and cotton on some of the port wharfs. The delivery systems, the shipping engaged in free trade with Europe, we did have success in finding and defeating those.

Britt Humm: I can now see that the door is open, and looking in……now tell us about the vault.

William Seward: The vault is under the main building of the History department at
Harvard University here in Boston, Massachusetts. Here, under the McPherson wing, are stored all the documentations for historical events that the academic communities of the Northeast, the professors themselves, feel are not appropriate for public exposure.

Jeraldo Riviera: But what should the public not know?

William Seward: Well, Jeraldo, you being a journalism graduate, a member of the elite media, and a trained lawyer, you know that when accurate historical information might disturb the civil sensibility and stability, the academics start hiding the facts and evidence. It is all about labor stabilization. That is why this vault is so large.

Jeraldo Riviera: All right, Ladies and Gentlemen, here is the metal file case containing the documents we anticipate will make news tonight. Open it up!

Britt Humm: What’s in there?

Jeraldo Riviera: Well, this looks to be an official government document from the US Congress. It is marked the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Britt Humm: What is in it?

William Seward: Well it is an Amendment that was ratified by the Congress in late March of 1861. Here is what it says.

United States Constitution

Amendment XIII

Notwithstanding the Guarantee Clause and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, no state(s) may ever secede from the Union for any reason, except by an amendment pursuant to Article V.

Section 1. The President may, of his own authority suspend the operation of the Bill of Rights and the writ of habeas corpus, in a seceding or loyal state(s), if in his sole judgment, such is necessary to preserve the Union.

Section 2. If any State(s) attempts to secede without authorization, the Federal Government shall invade such state(s) with sufficient military force to suppress the attempted secession.

Section 3. The Federal Government may require the militias of all states to join in the use of force against the seceding state(s).

Jeraldo Riviera: Wow, Mr. Seward, this document proves that Mr. Lincoln had a right to attack the South and kill 620,000 people in the process.

Think of it Ladies and Gentlemen! Lincoln was right in desecrating one fifth of the Old Union.

William Seward: Yes, Jeraldo, this Amendment was known as the WMD………..the Words of Mass Destruction amendment.

Britt Humm: So, it was President Abraham Lincoln that had and then used WMD.

William Seward: Yes, that is correct. Before the WMD amendment, no one in government, not President Buchanan, nor his attorney general, nor even President Lincoln stated that they believed they had the right to send the military to stop invasion.

Since the Constitution flatly stated that only Congress could initiate war, all previous Presidents had adhered to this law.

Jeraldo Riviera: President Lincoln being the consummate protector of the Constitution, the person with the highest respect for public rights, a public servant that respected the Congress and Supreme Court, would not resort to usurpation of power for any reason.

He would follow the Constitution absolutely and unequivocally.

William Seward: That is right young man. He secretly held Congress in session after their official last day on March 8 of 1861. He wanted clear legal authority to take action.

After a number of clandestine meetings, the US Congress voted on and passed the WMD amendment that would then enable Lincoln to start the war legally.

It was at this point that President Lincoln conferred with former Lt. Gustavus Fox in Washington and ordered the Federal ships to prepare to sail to Charleston and initiate war.

Jeraldo Riviera: Wow, and Lincoln really did have the authority to conduct war.

William Seward: Yes, Jeraldo, he did.

Jeraldo Riviera: All this time, all of the books, movies, novels, all this stuff on the History Channel …..why would the historians want to suppress such knowledge from the public?

William Seward: Jeraldo, you must remember some things. First the power base of the Congress was from Illinois, Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. They really did not care if the South seceded. They would be glad to be rid of the "chivalry" of the South.

But what they did care about was the demand for goods from the South, and it was this group of states that had the greatest stake in trade with the South.

Jeraldo Riviera: Why the heck are we talking about demand when all those slaves were hurting?

William Seward: Jeraldo, they were not hurting. They had jobs that produced food and shelter. They ate pretty well. They had families and were blessed with children.

They were not getting rich or traveling far from the farms, but how was their life different from the Irish in Pennsylvania coal mines, or the women and children in the factories in Lowell, Massachusetts, or the Irish in New York slums?

Jeraldo Riviera: Well, probably not much in reality. Say, what was this demand thing and trade all about?

William Seward: In 1860, the population of the South, which was about 20% of the total population of all the states, bought $331,000,000 in goods from both Europe and the Northern and Western manufacturers and suppliers. Northern and Western consumers bought only $31,000,000 worth of imports.

If the South seceded, there were two major financial problems facing the Industrialists.

First, to avoid the extra cost of goods with tariffs tacked onto them, the seceded states would be buying directly from Europe and bypassing Northern ports. These goods would be shipped directly in on European ships.

Remember that New Orleans was thriving, and the Port of Charleston had just completed a major dredging of the harbor to allow deep draft transatlantic ships to enter at any tide height.

Since 97% of the revenue of the US Treasury came from the tariffs on imports, and with imports no longer landing in the ports that would collect tariffs, the tax system of the North would immediately collapse.

Second, the financial survival of the American Northeast and West depended on consumers from the South buying their goods.

But after decades of protectionism through tariffs, Northern goods were generally over priced and inferior in quality to European goods. They could not compete with European goods without a tariff to stand between the consumers in the South, and the producers in Europe.

Jeraldo Riviera: So, with secession, the South would be buying what they wanted from Europe, and importing other goods to sell to the mid-west through New Orleans, and in fact to Northern consumers through Charleston and Norfolk. What a turnabout!

Britt Humm: Now, think globally, Jeraldo, if you can.

Doris Kearnes Goodwad: Being the official resident historian and authority here Britt, I think I can give moustache boy a good answer.

England was about to overtake the rest of Europe in its military strength based on its strength in ocean trade, which also fostered a strong Navy. It was very interested in direct trade with the South.

If the United States were to grow and successfully compete, it had to project a strong military through its Navy, protect its economy, and its manufacturing base. To do this, it had to protect its shipping base. It needed what it had had for seventy-five years….a captive business class….the South.

Jeraldo Riviera: It makes no sense to kill that many citizens over the economy. Who would believe such a thing?

William Seward: That is precisely why we hide the Amendment...to keep people from beginning to believe that.

Look, over 600,000 people died. They couldn't die over trade. It had to be a bigger problem…..more emotional, more simple, more appealing…….it had to be slavery.

Doris Kearnes Goodwad: And especially since Lincoln went ahead with that Emancipation thing, and that Gettysburg address, it really had to be slavery. Secession was not enough of a reason for anyone in the North, so they had to pass the amendment, and we have to hide it.

Britt Humm: The Republican Party could not be seen as giving Lincoln the authority to attack based on secession. He had to look like a great statesman, taking the control himself, and going out to fight the evil South, to stamp out the grapes of wrath, end slavery, and all that Jazz.

William Seward: That is exactly right Britt. We could not take the blame, so we hid the amendment. Lincoln could not take the blame, so he pushed the slavery thing. What is jazz?

Jeraldo Riviera: I am not so sure that this needs to get out…OK guys button up the vault! CUT!

This doesn't matter…..this program would not get much in the ratings anyway.

Say, get Major Anderson on the phone. We will go down to Charleston and open the vaults there. I want to find out just how much food was left at Ft. Sumter.

Maybe I will bump into ole’ Mary Chesnut down by the Battery, and sip a Julip.

Britt Humm: Tell Jeraldo that Doris Kearnes Goodwad wants to go to Ft. Sumter with him to find the graves of the starving Union troops from the terrible famine in the fort created by those selfish Charleston grocers.

Jeraldo Riviera: Tell the plagiarist that the Wizard under the sheets is heading South.
You gotta love that Lincoln guy.

There was another legal document that made secession illegal, and gave the President power to deal with it. I will search for it and get back to you.

The Militia Act of 1792 as amended in 1795 precludes unilateral state secession. But think about this:

"State ordinances of secession had no legal effect on the legal foundations of the United States federal government; the Supremacy Clause is a general bar on State law impacting federal institutions. To vindicate the authority of the Confederacy, the Confederates had to resort to violent assaults on federal authority, [if this only involved refusal to allow the mail to pass] and that constituted, quite unambiguously, insurrection or rebellion. The need to rebel, was not the result of some obdurate refusal by the Lincoln administration to recognize the constitutional legitimacy of the secessions, as Jefferson Davis would have it. The constitutional impotence of the secessions was in the explicit logic of the Constitution -- in the Supremacy Clause. Lincoln had only to observe his clear Constitutional duties, and the legal impotence of State secession would be revealed -- was revealed."

-- Gary Charbonneau

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ROTFLMAO!!!!! Priceless!

State ordinances of secession had no legal effect on the legal foundations of the United States federal government; the Supremacy Clause is a general bar on State law impacting federal institutions.

Gary Charbonneau of the Indiana University Libraries? Or Supreme Court Justice Gary Charbonneau, or President Gary Charbonneau? Or founding father Gary Charbonneau?

Congress had refused to find fault in the seceded states actions. The Supremacy clause does not apply to the PEOPLE of the several states, only to the officers. The people are sovereign, and can change their form of government at will (see the Texas Constitution as admitted to the Union).

There was another legal document that made secession illegal, and gave the President power to deal with it. I will search for it and get back to you.

The only way secession can be made illegal is to amend the Constitution to say so explicitly: "Secession is illegal." Furthermore, any such amendment would have to confer grants of sovereignty to the United States by the several States -- all of them -- that they have never heretofore made, to-wit, the last of their residual sovereignty, and the ultimate Sovereignty of the People, whereafter sovereignty over the United States would no longer be vested in the People, but in the United States Government under whatever formula you like.

That has not happened to date, and I doubt like hell that it ever will.

You're delusional! It is nothing like what was done in Texas.

It's exactly what was done in Texas.

First of all, you have not posted anything - not one shred of evidence - that proves anyone was unable to vote for a delegate, or even that their vote would have swung the election.

My link show some were encouraged not to attend. Intelligent people know whatr that means. Pro-slavers were killing people in Kansas.

The Texas Constitution recognizes the right of the people of Texas to alter their form of government at will. In PRECISELY the same manner the used to RATIFY the US Constitution.

The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land and Texas violated Article IV, Section 4.

Post evidence of your asinine & ludicrous assertions.

My link. You saw it.

Brig. General Stand Watie bump.

It's 2004.

As usual, you guys said no such thing. It is a product of #3brain, typed by #3finger into #3computer. Atrributed wrongly to someone else.

They (you?) were speaking earlier about how despicable Indianans are. You guys ooze with hatred.