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That is where Jesus used the illustration of hell and possibility could have been near the area when he was talking to his disciples about hell...

In a way, the free and safe travel that was possible in Europe and the Middle-East under the Romans has never been duplicated

"I collect all the old technology manuals I can, and even have my father's WWII U.S. Navy publication of "Mathematics for the Radioman and Electrician" (he was an Electrician's Mate 1st Class on board a diesel/electric submarine in the South Pacific during the war.)

I was on one of those too in the early 60's (USS Jallao). I went on to a chip-making career that I've now retired from.

If he wants to give a lasting gift have him bake a fruit cake! ;-)

Is this the best the anti-Shroud people can do?

Well, they are enthusiastic.

No one ever claimed they were bright.

In the Old Testament, the Hinnom Valley or Gehenna was a place of abominable pagan rites, including infant sacrifice. It was there that the apostate kings Ahaz and Manasseh made their children “pass through the fire” to the god Molech. The rites were specifically celebrated in Tophet, the “place of abhorrence,” one of the chief groves in the valley

King Josiah of ancient Judah finally put an end to these abominations. He defiled the valley, rendering it ceremonially unclean (II Kings 23:10). Later the valley became the cesspool and city dump of Jerusalem - a repository for sewage, refuse and animal carcasses. The bodies of despised criminals were also burned there along with the rubbish. Fires burned continuously, feeding on a constant supply of garbage and refuse.

Aceldama, the “field of blood”, purchased with the money Judas received for the betrayal of Christ (Matt. 27:8) was also in part of the valley of Hinnom.

What a hoot to come across this tonight! A couple hours ago my son set out to make hommade butter as a gift for his teachers. He’ll be glad to know his can be the gift that keeps on giving...and giving...

"Hopefully engineering manuals are stored everywhere..."

Sometimes there is just no substitute for printed knowledge... I have the complete courses from the "National Radio Institute" for beginning and advanced radio technician - two binders, each about 6 inches thick. Now that may sound a bit hokey... But there is tech information explained ("how to" and "why") in those manuals that is now taken for granted because the technology is purchased "in whole" on the microscopic surface of a silicon chip. I build radios and other electrical instruments as a hobby and use "old school" techniques because it is how I have learned to "make it work." I'm self-taught. I friend of mine with his masters degree in electrical engineering and I were talking one day and I asked about construction of some section of a circuit - he just kind of laughed and said "I haven't done that since high school - now I just order it from a catalog."

I collect all the old technology manuals I can, and even have my father's WWII U.S. Navy publication of "Mathematics for the Radioman and Electrician" (he was an Electrician's Mate 1st Class on board a diesel/electric submarine in the South Pacific during the war.) Just for kicks and grins, I even have a box of slide rules and instruction manuals - that will be fun to show the grand-kids someday!

Regards,
Raven6

PS: Another thing about "old radio" technology - tubes, big ceramic capacitors, wire wound resitors, and hand-wound inductor coils, etc.: It will survive an EMP hit, whereas modern "silicon based" technology will not. :-)

Nice thread - amazing photos. Sounds like folks from both DU (the idiots) and FreeRepublic are making comments on that site. (Pretty funny!)

I can only imagine the CO2 footprint required to create and transport the butter to that location. I am also surprised that they found it...didn’t Al Goracle says the ice caps completely melted or something. I could have sworn I saw the butter sticking out of the mouth of the stranded polar bear in his nobel award winning mockumentary!

I think I am becoming a wee bit cynical in my old age...

So neat photos of Scott's hut and Shackleton's hut here: Abandoned Antarctic Huts

Very nicely done! Thanks for your work. BTTT!

The newly found cloth has a simpler weave than Turin's, the scientists say. The body of a man wrapped in fragments of the shroud was found in a tomb dating from the time of Jesus near the Old City of Jerusalem.

Fragments??? How then do they know it was a shroud???

You don't get wrapped in a shroud...It's one piece...Starts at the foot on the front, goes up over the head and down the back to the back of the feet...

Apparently what they found were fragments of some cloth...And of the weave that was used in those days...

Hopefully engineering manuals are stored everywhere, duct-taped. What to do if this or any critical component goes down, and how to fix it.

We could learn from Katrina, if we wanted to, how they came back up with all local engineering, mechanical, technical, all of those people trying to recover when the City went down.

Nawlins is a ‘teachable moment’ (barf) on recovery, even as slow as it was, in the world of catastrophic events. So was Ike....micro-cosms to study.

Looks like the thermostat out of my old pickup!

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That is too bad. I traded a couple of letters with him, and he was always gracious and informative.

Barraclough also investigated Mystery Hill (as it was called at one time), a few years before I visited it, and the carved image he’d identified inside the structure was already protected with plastic (this was, hmm, late 1970s? early 1980s?).

Oh, c’mon, how would I even hear about it? ;’)

Any word from, y’know, who we talked about?

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Joseph of Arimathea was a very wealthy man and he buried Jesus, so case closed there.

He is a picture from 'Honest' Al Gore's new movie in which he retraces the Scott Expedition's route to the south pole.

"Lucifer's Hammer is pretty much how it'd go down." - txhurl

It is eerie to come home and see this thread, and then your post regarding Lucifer's Hammer... At lunch today, I was in a bookstore and a book title caught my eye as if there was a strobe light next to it. It was How Things Work... The first thing that popped into my mind was a copy of that title being sealed in 4 Zip-Lock bags and then re-enforced with duct tape! (You would have to have read Lucifer's Hammer to understand this... It had to do with preserving the knowledge that man had already obtained.)

Interesting... Perhaps I should have bought it?

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Raven6

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I think it’s interesting this was found, and a shame that some news outlets/people just can’t resist the urge to get a dig in.

"Hey, what’s a couple of years at our ages. :’)"

I can just see you one day..."That's sad, I always meant to send him that video"

Oh, btw, do you remember the name of that video? It has something to do with ice ages, or maybe impacts... I’m drawin’ a blank... and it’s well known that my housekeeping isn’t in the running for any awards...

“I don’t know what this one is...”

See post #12

Ahhhhhhh, 40 years ago ...I cared about such useless things and useless celebrities ...bring back the days !!

Hey, what’s a couple of years at our ages. :’)

I have looked into the Shroud of Turin quite a bit. I have several videos etc. I believe it to be the real deal. The carbon dating they did has real problems and does NOT rule it out. There are so MANY things about it that can not be explained any other way. So we already know where the real burial cloth of Jesus is. I don’t know what this one is but it’s not the original.

and in the 1990s a hearth inside the "colonial rootcellar" section radiocarbon dated to 2000 BC.

Too bad Barry Fell died before that was discovered about the site.

Then, again, the Lamestream Scientificists would just claim that he or somebody from ESOP planted the charcoal.

I made the mistake of loaning my copy of America BC to a coworker who was a rabid scientifundy, and never got it back.

One of my life regrets is that I arrived in Hatch, NM 2 or 3 weeks AFTER he had made a visit to the same person (now also deceased) I was stopping to see about a series of petroglyph articles he had written. Doctor Fell died soon after, so I never got to meet him.

Our pastor knew, liked, and respected both of those men; and did some field work with both.

OK, I'm not big on the whole "relic" thing, not being Catholic, but there are numerous problems with the assumptions, here.

Hinnom Valley? Nice dodge of calling it something more piquant ... Gehenna. This was not a well liked man.

Diseased with two of the primary scourges of the time? Not a wealthy man, or a rather intemperate one, perhaps both.

Sealed burial chamber? Sealed? There was more than disease, that those who buried him didn't want getting out.

Simpler cloth, that is supposed to somehow undermine authenticity of the Shroud of Turin? Given all the above, I'd say he was lucky to have been wrapped in any sort of cloth at all, and not dumped in Gehenna and burned with the rest of the rubbish and animal carcasses.

Planting Tulips on Al Gore ?

Earliest leprosy case found in Jerusalem

December 16, 2009

JERUSALEM (JTA) — The DNA of a shrouded man from the first century found in a Jerusalem tomb revealed the earliest known case of leprosy.

It is also the first time fragments of a burial shroud have been found from the time of Jesus in Jerusalem, according to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

The burial cave, also called the Tomb of the Shroud, is located on the edge of the Old City of Jerusalem in the lower Hinom Valley. The shrouded man’s tomb was placed next to the tomb of the high priest who betrayed Jesus to the Romans, Annas the father-in-law of Caiaphas. This signifies that the man was a member of the aristocracy.

Also unique to this burial is the fact that the man did not receive a secondary burial, in which his bones would have been removed after a year and placed into a stone box. Instead, the man’s tomb, which was carbon dated to 1-50 CE, was sealed shut with plaster, likely because the man had leprosy and died of tuberculosis, according to molecular tests of the man’s bone DNA.

The man’s shroud was woven differently than that of the Turin Shroud, which is said to have wrapped the body of Jesus, according to textiles historian Orit Shamir. Because this is the first burial shroud found from the time of Jesus in Jerusalem, researchers have concluded that the Turin Shroud did not originate from Jesus-era Jerusalem, according to a statement by Hebrew University.

The molecular investigation was conducted by Professors Mark Spigelman and Charles Greenblatt of the Sanford F. Kuvin Center for the Study of Infectious and Tropical Diseases at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem; Professor Carney Matheson and Kim Vernon of Lakehead University, Canada; Professor Azriel Gorski of New Haven University; and Dr. Helen Donoghue of University College London. The archaeological excavation was led by Professor Shimon Gibson, Dr. Boaz Zissu and Professor James Tabor on behalf of the Israel Antiquities Authority and the University of North Carolina, Charlotte.

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/12/16/1009775/earliest-leprosy-case-found-in-jerusalem

Yes, exactly. Shroud experts have always pointed out that the weave of the Turin cloth is very high quality; which is what one would expect from the Gospel accounts that specifically mention that Joseph of Arimathea brought the linen, with the implication that it was high quality.

Why would the Gospels bother to mention that fact as well as the huge amount of space (comparatively speaking) given to the burial cloths left behind in the empty tomb unless the Gospel writers were aware that the burial shroud was known and venerated as a relic at the time they were writing. It’s as if they are acknowledging that the early Christians preserved the shroud. Otherwise, these details in the Gospel accounts would be superfluous.

The skeptics are so eager to debunk the Shroud of Turin that they always, every single time, exaggerate and misrepresent the significance of their new “finds.” Anyone who actually knows about the linen of the Shroud of Turin would have found the fact that this weave is different

meaningless.

But breathless stupid reporters are ignorant and can’t be bothered to do any homework.

Bump...

- ‘Jesus-era’ burial shroud found -

And they STILL can’t find Obama’s birth certificate!

Incredibly depressing. It’s like watching the disaster in fast forward.

I woudn’t put much credence in anythng the BBC reports on concerning Christianity. For one thing Jesus was buried in a rich man’s tomb (Joseph of Arimethea) as predicted in Isaiah 53...not in the field of blood where Judas committed suicide.

Quite the coincidence that this is all of the sudden “found”.

$64 question: “Does it hold the image of a human?”

So let’s see if I understand their reasoning: a person buried in a pine box could not have died around the same time as a person buried in an oak coffin... Is this the best the anti-Shroud people can do?

For what it is worth, better than even odds if bound for France, they would have 1917s rather than Springfields.

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Believe it or not, Tiny TIm was a walking encyclopaedia of early American Music. The repository of music in his brain would probably rival the LIbrary of Congress. But, Yeah, he was a bit weird looking and that high falsetto voice was the capper...

So: It has a different weave. That doesnt prove anything.

I am sure people with different pocketbooks could afford different weave shrouds.

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The shortage of Springfields resulted in shifting production of Pattern 1914 rifles in 303 for export to the Brits to the U.S. Rifle Model of 1917 in 30’06 by Remington, Remington’s Eddystone factory and Winchester. 1903’s in WWI were manufactured at Government armories [Springfield and Rock Island] could not produce enough rifles for the build up. As a consequence of the shortage of more modern U.S. rifles, some of the obsolete Krag’s were pressed into service although probably never into combat zones.BTW, the 1917s while subjectively not as pretty as the Springfields were strong, serviceable and were available in greater quantities than the 1903s.

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