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4. And as noted before, the misappropriation of Scripture text by enemies is not odd, but logical, and cannot itself warrant their exclusion, lest we remove the 75% percent (i think) of the KJV which the BOM is said to plagiarize!

I instantly thought of "Judge not..." here, heh.

I next thought of Matthew 4:6 or Luke 4:10-11, where the devil quotes Psalm 91. Does a "conservative" Bible accordingly edit the psalm for its purpose?

“What you preach is height of absurdity, all to obfuscate the truth of the scripture.”

No, it connects the scripture before and after with the scripture in between...

“But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse.

“For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. When you come together, it is not the Lord’s supper that you eat. For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.”

[He starts his discussion of the Lord’s Supper by denying that the practice of the Corinthians even counts. There are divisions. Each goes ahead with his own meal. Some do so in such excess that they get drunk. he asks, “do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing?]

“For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

[In the previous 3 chapters, he talks about identifying ourselves with the body of Christ, rather than identifying with idols. Remember what is in Chapter 10: “The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. Consider the people of Israel: are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar? What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.”]

[Having talked about what it wrong, he now talks about the right way to take the Eucharist.]

“In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”

[When they take the Eucharist, they are to do so “In remembrance” and by doing so, they “proclaim the Lord’s death...]

“Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.”

[Those who do what he describes in verses 18-22 should be doing what he describes in verses 23-26. If not, then verse 27 describes the result. Verse 27 doesn’t exist in a vacuum - it follows verses 17-26.]

“Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.”

{If they do it right, and discern the body of Christ, then...]

“So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another— if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment. About the other things I will give directions when I come.”

Paul then spends the next 3 chapters discussing spiritual gifts, and how they are to build the body of Christ, the Church, saying, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.”

CONTEXT! We must read each verse in context! Read Augustine, if you don’t like what I write - scripture is to be read in context. Verses don’t just fall like acorns from a tree and lie independent on the ground.

You write: “”this is my body, which shall be delivered for you”. Do you really think it is the Church that is delivered? Neither have I ever heard the Church referred to as the “blood of the Lord”.”

Have you never heard the Church described as the BODY OF CHRIST? And do you not know that His flesh and blood was shed for all of us? As he discusses in the previous chapter, just as eating food sacrificed to idols identifies one with idols and demons, taking the Eucharist identifies us with Christ. We are one body in Christ - discern it, or God will judge you for the actions you take in church - which is what Chapter 11 is discussing, and that he continues to discuss in Chapters 12-14.

What I do keep in mind is that God does have a people here that need to hear the gospel because God has ordained it as the way they will be brought to repentance and faith.. Perhaps today is the day God will open their eyes and ears so they can hear the gospel and come.

Amen!

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." -- Romans 10:13-17

I find it amazing that of your last 50 posts, only 3 were on threads not having to do with the Catholic Church

I find it amazing you think you're keeping track.

Your statistical analysis is incorrect, unless somehow you presume everything revolves around you and your church. (It doesn't, thank God.)

I think you are obsessed with the Church and are actually fascinated by it.

And yet it's you who is obsessively following my posts. Hmmm...

Besides, your peculiar comment is "mind-reading" and against the rules of the FR religion forum.

Otherwise, why would you spend so much time discussing it?

Most people who read the Bible understand the reason.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." -- 2 Timothy 4:2-4

Again I am telling you it is Jesus gospel we should be listening to not the church interpreted gospel of Paul.
There was a whole nother story going on when Jesus showed up in that period of Israel's history. First of all there was no Israel. It had been wiped out 700 years before Jesus came. Only Judah was active as a nation but not Israel. Judah and Israel are two separate nations. OT scripture, which is all Paul and the Apostles had, told of a Messiah who was going to bring back the Kingdom of Israel aka the Kingdom of God. Jesus “good news” was that Israel was going to be regathered and reestablished as a Kingdom.
Jesus even said in Matthew “I came only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” It's really very plain what the gospel was and Paul just made it available in different wording to those who were not familiar with the Torah.

Thank you, my precious brothers and sisters for your faithfulness in answering the call to pray for our Troops. I ask the LORD to bless your week with the beauty of the LORD Jesus Christ.

" How great is His goodness and how great is His beauty!"

~Zechariah 9:17,KJV~

Not sure where you get all your proof texts from, but the few you mentioned cannot be considered all the info there is on the subject

They represent the mainstream. The state of Israel sees Messianic "Jews" as Christians.

Dr. Mark Cambron (now deceased), had a specific Christian ministry to the Jews in Miami, FL

And that proves what?

As to worshipping YAHWEH/Jehovah, he IS the only true God and Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

Sure, except that the Christian God also includes the Son and the Holy Spirit which the Jews reject, so obviously the Christian God is not the same as the Hebrew God YHWH.

Isaiah 7:14, 9:6 both prophesy that the Messiah would be the Incarnate God.

He did no such thing. That is something the Christians made up.

There are other OT verses as well, as you know, so to say the early Hebrews did not believe in a divine Messiah is simply not correct

Obviously you don't know the history of Israel. Messianic apocalypticism does not appear before the Maccabean revolt in 160 BC. All the alleged OT prophesies of the coming messiah in the OT were written either at that time (Daniel) or are misinterpreted to mean what they do not mean.

There would have been no reason to have a messiah before the 2nd century BC revolt. The Jews believed the punishment and suffering they endured was something they deserved for disobeying God and that it was all God's doing for their digressions. Why would they need a messiah for that? LOL!

There is nothing more blasphemous for Judaism than a "divine messiah."

And there are hundreds of Messianic prophesies, not just seven.

Written after the fact (as in Daniel) or misinterpreted.

Now the Muslim god, Allah, is NOT the same as YAHWEH. Not even close

Maybe you can enlighten us as to why? I am listening...

To simply say it is just the Arabic word for god is to ignore the description of Allah given by Mohammed. No comparision at all.

How so?

There is a reason the term Judeo/Christian is used in this country as it recognizes the worship of the one true God.

You are right about "this country" and nowhere else in the world, for a good reason. And the term is use only by a segment of Evangelical Christians and idiots like bill O'Reilley. The (real) Jews would never use it. The Jews think of Christians what the mainline Christians think of Mormons.

How can Judeao-Christian recognize the worship of the one true God? The Jews reject Christ as God. They literally reject the Christian God! Do you eve realize that? Probably not because you wouldn't be saying such nonsense.  Now, the Christians say that they worship the same God of the OT as the Jews do, but that's obviously a one-way belief. The Jews don't share that belief and in fact are offended that we interpret their own faith and God for them.

In Judaism there is no room for other divine persons.

What a beautiful prayer! Praise the LORD for His Goodness! I stand in agreement in the Most Powerful Name of Jesus and say amen.

Thank you for including the Soldiers Prayer, it is one I will pray during my personal prayer time.

With this purely political alliance/issue, RC Sproul is truly weird! All who profess belief in Christ must come together on these matters of life, religious liberty, marriage -PERIOD-, flawed document/theology,etc aside.

I don’t think you understand the distinctions between faith and reason that I made in my post.

Paul isn’t talking about the physical body of Christ, but the Church

Let the gentle reader judge:

Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. 24 And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. 25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. 26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. 27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. (1 Cor. 11)

"this is my body, which shall be delivered for you". Do you really think it is the Church that is delivered? Neither have I ever heard the Church referred to as the "blood of the Lord".

What you preach is height of absurdity, all to obfuscate the truth of the scripture.

Somebody needs to see if Pastor MacArthur can sign this:

The Personhood Imperative Proclamation and Pledge

I think you need to read I Cor 15:1-5 and learn what the gospel is.Paul clearly spells it out.

There’s nothing legalistic about making a distinction between those who promote truth and those who promote something other than truth.MacArthur clearly sounds out the word of God on a daily basis over the airways. He has condemed immorality and upheld the gospel for years and anyone who knows him has no difficulty knowing where he stands. He doesn’t need to sign some meaningless paper to let people know his beliefs, they can be heard publicly.

Bravo for men like MacArthur who will make a distinction between true believers and apostates.