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  • Homosexual Acts Cannot be Approved or Celebrated by the Church – Here’s Why

    09/21/2014 7:11:26 PM PDT · 36 of 36
    Phinneous to Mrs. Don-o; Olog-hai

    I know it’s a bit late, but in answer to your question for proof-text, I was racking my brain— I know it from a lecture on Jewish philosophers, in this case, Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, Maimonedes, RaMbaM [his Jewish acronym.] But I heard it in seminary 9 years ago. So I knew that wouldn’t satisfy the root of your question (text.)

    But, as divine providence guides us, in another FR post I was drawn back to a site hosting lectures on Judaism called simpletoremember.com. One of the lecturers, Lawrence Keleman, has a class on an unrelated topic (the proof of Jewish Oral tradition...) but in the first 13 minutes of it he builds up to and answers the question, from scripture, of where in the Torah we know that Nurture (particularly Divine nurturing through the commandments) can overcome Nature-— Genesis 1:1.... take a listen. As a grammatical guide, when he says “Bereishis” [the first word in the Hebrew Torah] is in construct state, he means that the Bi [prefix for “in”] is connected to reishis... “reishis” [”beginning of_”] in and of itself is the form of the word ree-shone [first] that needs, grammatically, to be adjunct to another word, ie: “beginning of_”time; “beginning of_”days; “beginning of_”our story. To say bireishis.... [bara— He created] leaves out an object of the construct state “beginning of.” Thus rendering it, literally: In the beginning of [missing object] G-d created. I know this is clumsy so see if Rabbi Keleman states it more clearly. He’s also pretty entertaining in a So Cal kind of way...

    http://www.simpletoremember.com/media/a/Rational_Approach_Divinity_Oral_Tradition-B/

  • Homosexual Acts Cannot be Approved or Celebrated by the Church – Here’s Why

    09/17/2014 7:39:38 PM PDT · 31 of 36
    Phinneous to Mrs. Don-o; Olog-hai

    I like Mrs. Don-o’s answer. Is this Catholic, Christian, or stock-Christian? (entertaining thought/temptation in the mind being a sin...)

    It is plucked straight out of Jewish law, not surprisingly. It’s actually one of my pet peeves against Dennis Prager, who I heard speak once of thinking about sin being not a sin (or a lesser sin.) When Judaism demands control of the actiona, speech, and even the thoughts (after they’ve “popped” into conscious thought.)

    Interestingly, we believe the very WILL, which channels the unwanted thoughts, can be changed... which is why I believe the very (supposed) nature of homosexuality can be changed.

  • Homosexual Acts Cannot be Approved or Celebrated by the Church – Here’s Why

    09/17/2014 7:34:05 PM PDT · 30 of 36
    Phinneous to Olog-hai

    How does one condemn a feeling? Does that mean an emotion? (note: loaded question— more to follow :)

  • GET ANGRY NOW

    09/10/2014 5:44:44 PM PDT · 3 of 51
    Phinneous to smoothsailing

    Que se enfaden ahora, Ole!

  • iPhone 6 announced: 4.7-inch display, A8 processor, 8-megapixel camera, for $199

    09/09/2014 11:52:53 AM PDT · 15 of 36
    Phinneous to SeekAndFind

    Is it me or does the CEO copy Obama’s whispering emphasis in his cadence? These products are {strained whisper] bigger than bigger. [end whisper]

  • Do All Human Beings at All Stages of Life Have Rights, or Just Some?

    08/29/2014 8:16:45 AM PDT · 10 of 20
    Phinneous to wagglebee

    I’m not sure about the take - away of this for Christians, but for Jews, the commandment against “spilling seed” attests to a profound respect for even the potential for life. (I’m not saying this is the unified orthodox stance on abortion - it varies from the devout Christian one, but ‘life’ ain’t so simple, yet is profoundly important.)

  • Why is the Song of Solomon in the Bible?

    08/19/2014 8:12:25 PM PDT · 50 of 52
    Phinneous to Pete from Shawnee Mission; Biggirl

    Not a rabbi but I could play one on TV...

    Mystically, in the works of Kabbalah and Chassidut, pro-creation is being a partner with G-d. To take part in this act, akin to creating ‘something from nothing,’ touches the essence of pleasure, so it flows from there that it [is pleasurable, etc....]

    Biggirl, from one of your posts (ie, JC and the Church....) you might say, ahem, G-d and the Jewish people.

    Re: Go forth.... a little joke: Why is the first commandment given from G-d to man “go forth and multiply?” Because when man saw how fun the first commandment is, he’d want to keep ALL of the commandments! (rim shot, please)

  • 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

    08/12/2014 8:27:28 PM PDT · 20 of 271
    Phinneous to JimSEA

    I raise the evolutionists’ 12-year old article with a Letter from 1961, in a book from 2003. Mind Over Matter, (Kehot Publishing company, a compilation of responsa from the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, of righteous memory.) The Rebbe was trained in electrical engineering, not just Jewish theology.

    I would except it but it’s a long chapter. VERY worthwhile reading. The basis— (from the sages of Israel) G-d looked into the Torah and created the world... there can be no true contradiction between science and Torah. When the onion is peeled back, the conflicts dissolve.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112083/jewish/Theories-of-Evolution.htm

  • The Age of the Universe The '6' Days of Creation

    08/12/2014 10:19:58 AM PDT · 54 of 60
    Phinneous to Zionist Conspirator

    ZC are you sure you’re not a rabbi ;)
    Bravo Zulu, nicely stated.

  • Motorcyclist hits 140 mph trying to evade MHP

    08/10/2014 6:49:19 PM PDT · 36 of 54
    Phinneous to left that other site

    Ditto... I was stationed in Naples Italy.... I was just doing the local thing (I told myself) on the way to Rome I hit 212 kph (yah yah, I’m red-blooded too, about 135 mph) on N Italian pasta rocket. Cagiva Raptor 650. Scared sh*these but quite a thrill.

  • Article V: An Alternative to Impeachment

    08/06/2014 12:24:19 PM PDT · 18 of 59
    Phinneous to INVAR

    I fear by the time we realize this truth - most Americans will be in chains.

    ...Those that didn’t move to Texas.

  • The Philosophers and the Jews: Black Eggs and White Cheese

    07/22/2014 9:52:33 PM PDT · 4 of 4
    Phinneous to Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

    Cute

  • The Philosophers and the Jews: Black Eggs and White Cheese

    07/22/2014 8:26:26 PM PDT · 1 of 4
    Phinneous
  • How Americans Feel About Religious Groups (Pew Research Poll)

    07/18/2014 11:30:59 AM PDT · 28 of 32
    Phinneous to NKP_Vet

    ...IF I jumped the gun, and you merely meant praise of Jews’ business acumen... well... tell me if I jumped the gun.

  • How Americans Feel About Religious Groups (Pew Research Poll)

    07/18/2014 11:29:36 AM PDT · 27 of 32
    Phinneous to Zionist Conspirator; NKP_Vet

    Good points all. Right on the mark.

    Oh, and NKP_Vet, is a Jew’s savvy at making money to the exclusion of anyone or everyone else in the world who applies their physical or mental labor in the hopes of financial reward?

    Does anyone else at all make money really well? Are they super-real-good at it? Like only one assisted by Satan could do?

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/16/2014 7:43:18 AM PDT · 27 of 27
    Phinneous to patlin
    To clarify, I thought your first post was somehow saying "ash," as in the ark was made into ash or destroyed.... (I see it is a transliteration.) What remains is the interpretation and it remains an agreement to disagree. The Jewish commentators render the phrase in question [Vih-Lo ye-ah-seh] as "will not be done." What will not be done anymore? ...Taking the Ark into battle... Here is a Christian site with the same rendering: http://biblehub.com/text/jeremiah/3-16.htm The root עשה is "to make" or "to do" This is not a trick of the text...it is used interchangeably in thousands of places.
  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/16/2014 3:46:20 AM PDT · 26 of 27
    Phinneous to patlin

    You are using a mistranslation to attempt to arrive at a “prophesy” that fits missionary (or just stock Christian) replacementism. Sorry, it’s been argued throughout the centuries already.

    http://m.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16000#showrashi=true

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 11:57:30 AM PDT · 18 of 27
    Phinneous to sasportas

    The challenge with the statement “...that a particular line of Jews (Sabbatai, Frank, etc.), in anticipation of the Messiah like yourself [me] certainly did [draw an obligation]”

    is that they concocted obligations that were outside of and not permissible by the code of Jewish law— they were unwittingly sinning at best, heretics at worst. You can’t draw conclusions about normative Orthodox Jewry from those examples. Orthodox Jews want to increase in the performance of mitzvas (commandments) and in Torah learning (which is in itself a commandment for Jews.)

    I’m afraid you cannot draw conclusions about Bible prophesy (Jewish or end-of-the-bookish) with those examples.

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 10:08:12 AM PDT · 12 of 27
    Phinneous to patlin; Ruy Dias de Bivar

    “This is the reason the Ark was never in the 2nd temple and the reason it no longer exists”

    This is completely erroneous according to Judaism. So we can agree to disagree. I guess, to be scriptural, one must find the text that talks of the destruction (G-d forbid) of the Ark. The premise here is that it is buried beneath the Temple Mount.

    RDB— That is not in the Jewish canon...

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 9:53:22 AM PDT · 11 of 27
    Phinneous to sasportas

    One cannot draw an obligation from just any story or statement in the Talmud, (think of it as “actionable intel.” if you were ever in the military. Much of the Talmud isn’t up for interpretation or inference on what a Jew must or mustn’t do.)

    That being said, “Just how are we folks doing this since...”
    The world is still in judgement— and it can still go either way. In fact, your proof text is homiletic (not actionable intel,) just like a statement from the halachic (actionable Jewish religious law) codifier and master, Rabbi Moses ben Maimon (Maimoneded of Medieval Spain,) that “The world stands in judgement constantly, and we must view each [good deed] as being the one that can push the scale towards a righteous judgement...(to paraphrase)” Also not-actionable intelligence, except to inspire Jews (and righteous gentiles) to do one more and yet even one more ‘mitzvah’ (commandment, good deed) to tip the scales.

    In short, don’t worry about the Jews and the Talmud.... just do good.

    Last note, it is frustrating, I admit— waiting and waiting and reliving every single day like today is the day. But like I’ve mentioned in another back-and-forth before with other Freepers (and assuming you are a devout Christian,) we both know a sort of waiting game don’t we?

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 8:47:05 AM PDT · 8 of 27
    Phinneous to sasportas

    From his picture (a picture paints 1000 words, etc) and his lack of mention on normal Chabad sites, I do not think he is a Lubavitcher (Chabad fellow.) His book is not from a normative Orthodox/Chabad standpoint.

    We are not ‘opposed’ to, rather we do not enable Reform/liberal/etc Judaism and their tenants. They are Jews (the ones born to Jewish mothers) with all the same rights/obligations/privileges/rewards... even if they don’t accept that yet ;)

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 8:27:49 AM PDT · 6 of 27
    Phinneous to sasportas

    I had never heard of Rabbi Antelman but from a brief look (including reading a summary of volumes 1 and 2 of To Eliminate the Opiate) I do not believe his facts/statements nor do I agree with his conclusions—ie, a vast effort to make the world ‘entirely evil.’ These are not literal statements (make the world entirely this or that....) and not actionable in normative Judaism.

    Anyway, yes, we fulfill the actionable commandments (613 for Jews, 7 for non-Jews) happily, to hasten the coming of Moshiach.

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 7:22:23 AM PDT · 2 of 27
    Phinneous to Phinneous; Zionist Conspirator

    Ping— wondering if you’ve seen this concept before.

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 4:39:23 AM PDT · 1 of 27
    Phinneous
    No offense to Indiana Jones, but Jews have known the location of the Ark of the Covenant since it was hidden. I understand there is a belief or way of thinking by non-Jews that the destruction of the Holy Temple abrogates the performance of the commandments in the Torah (G-d forbid) or nullifies our Covenant with Him-- far from the truth.

    Today, Tuesday July 15th 2014, is the 17th day of the Hebrew month of Tammuz, 5774, a fast day for able-bodied Jews. 3327 years ago on this day, Moses broke the tablets he brought down from Mt. Sinai (see Charlton Heston or Mel Brooks for innacurate representations.) Between now and the 9th of the Hebrew month of Av (3 weeks from today) Jews commemorate events in our history that had not-positive outcomes (Breaking the Tablets, breaching the walls of Jerusalem by Babylon, leading and up to the...) The 9th of Av marks the destruction of the first Holy Temple by Nebuchadnezzar (and the second Temple by Rome on the same Hebrew date.) So we customarily study the know details about the Temple(s.) --their dimensions, materials, purposes, usage.

    This essay describes the most fundamental point about the Temple--it was never, in essence, destroyed. The Holy Ark remains buried beneath the mount, never to be found by the willing-to-desecrate WAKF Arabs, and only to be revealed by the Messiah when he comes. At that time the Ark will be brought up to it's place again within the Holy of Holies in the third, eternal Temple.

    It's a short essay, particularly relevant to (the vast majority of) those who seek to do G-d's will but have until this moment-- and no longer-- fallen short.

    When in the last short paragraph the Rebbe writes "...furtive, convoluted path..." [to the hidden chamber of the Ark] he is alluding that we all have this inner resting place of the 10 commandments (the Ark and its contents, the distilled essence of the 613 Commandments) within us, waiting to be tapped, however difficult the path of discovery. Within each of us is a miniature Holy Temple, in all of it's power. We can each reveal G-d's glory with acts of kindness and with personal, complete repentance, and hasten Moshiach's coming, speedily in our days.

  • McCain On Detention Facility Restrictions: ‘I Want It Fixed, And I Want It Fixed Immediately’

    07/09/2014 12:30:45 PM PDT · 14 of 43
    Phinneous to cotton1706

    —Through clenched teeth:

    “I want is fikshd, and I want it fikshd immediately”

  • Murrieta Mayor: Feds Never Contacted Us About Dumping Illegals in Our City

    07/07/2014 11:05:56 AM PDT · 2 of 6
    Phinneous to MeshugeMikey

    So how the hell do they choose these cities? A Rat friend on the inside or strictly for revenge? Is Murrieta a deep-red town?

  • Tea Party Group Slams Ingraham: ‘When Did She Become Chris Matthews?’

    06/23/2014 8:29:02 AM PDT · 18 of 19
    Phinneous to E. Pluribus Unum

    She became Chrissy Matthews when she supported Kelly Ayotte the RINO over Ovide M. Lamontagne, solely for Kelly’s genetalia.

  • The GOP just lost its only non-Christian in Congress

    06/12/2014 8:04:32 AM PDT · 84 of 116
    Phinneous to justiceseeker93

    Ditto

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/10/2014 6:55:17 PM PDT · 130 of 138
    Phinneous to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    So where would you like to go back to? The Rabbis? The stories of demons in the bathroom?

    By the way, ever hear the expression “2 Jews, 3 opinions?” Jewbacca has another rabbi/counsel and that’s his way. (those Jews from Kashyyyk...)

    I want to point out that you groan about haughtiness and other issues with the approach of my posts, yet you wrote in your first reply “stupid oral traditions.” Very considerate/gentlemanly of you... (Of course I think the same thing about your religion and its dogmas or, “YOPIOS”)

    Hey, can we both be happy Cantor lost? Holy Jewish soul (in my opinion) but crappy RINO.

    Anyway, relations between orthodox and reform are fine. Thanks for asking! The not-yet-religious do, Heaven help us, tend to marry out and forfeit their inheritance, but more and more are becoming religious, thank G-d. They don’t tend to argue doctrine with their coreligionists like Catholic and Protestant do.

    I thought of something— Imagine if I told a Buddhist that there is a new Buddah in town and they are all wrong. I had a few witnesses of the new Buddah’s miracles (pardon me, but quite few witnesses, relative to the Jews’ claims...in your ‘OT’ of millions of witnesses...and witnesses to G-d Himself at that, not just a, pardon me again, run-of-the-mill resurrection— Elishah and the child??) AND I make similar (to the Christians’ to the Jews) claims that their old Buddah is superseded... Presto!.....Christianity in the eyes of a Jew. Enough... Christians, Karites, Saducees, and the rest have their own religion which has nothing at all to do with Judaism and our rabbinic tradition. Go ask your Karite friends (or peruse their websites again) how they observe the life-and-death laws of the Sabbath that G-d commands in Torah. But of course they have their YOPIOS too, not acknowledging that G-d gave an Oral Torah too with every detail we need to keep His laws.

    In closing (as if :) ) and returning briefly to your insulting questions of the Talmud and Zohar— much is analogy or metaphor, some concepts (like demonology, impurity) we hold to be bygone powers that have mostly faded— but which will come back as applicable to the 3rd Holy Temple, may it be rebuilt speedily. Do you reject any spiritual power in our created world that is granted authority to operate in G-d’s world— to tempt or to entice a person away from G-d? Don’t you battle against a Satan? I know you’re not at the Catholic level, but you are in the world’s minority if in your YOPIOS and scripture-only viewpoint there is no spiritual force in our world. The stories you mock are the Jewish take on the subject. (I know your answer, don’t bother— lop it all together with Catholic saint-worship... it’s not in scripture.)

    Or should we go back to the Hebrew Torah and ask, in your opinion and translations, does Lev 3:17 mean we should not eat fat or not eat milk? The word is exactly the same in Hebrew. What did G-d mean in His written Bible? If you say “fat” like all of the Christian commentary, then you are relying on the Oral interpretation given to the Jews.

    Hey, maybe Cantor can spend more time studying the Bible now?

  • Senate panel seeks $2.28 billion to aid immigrant children

    06/10/2014 12:12:18 PM PDT · 3 of 46
    Phinneous to PoloSec

    Double or nothing.....$2.28B to build the fence, then $2.28B for the poor chirens.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/10/2014 11:10:10 AM PDT · 128 of 138
    Phinneous to UriÂ’el-2012; Greetings_Puny_Humans

    For clarity, like I advised Greetings_Puny_Humans, see the let’s get along thread between Catholics and Protestants:

    500 seething comments strong! Did they even let Jews for Jesus in on the fighting?

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3165205/posts

    There seem to be disagreements on the cart vis-a-vis the wheels...

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/10/2014 10:39:19 AM PDT · 126 of 138
    Phinneous to UriÂ’el-2012

    Very Nice(an) to know. Thanks :)

    (I made a pun....)

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 8:04:33 PM PDT · 122 of 138
    Phinneous to Phinneous

    Sorry— don’t know what happened to my paragraphs there. I guess that makes it even more of a rant...

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 7:58:36 PM PDT · 121 of 138
    Phinneous to af_vet_1981
    A fine appeal, Ye Olde Air Force Vet from sometime in the 80s.... (Navy here) RE: Rebbe Moshiach? Chabadnikim know there was a possibility. It's such a tough, tough question. We live a fantasy in a way, wanting Moshiach RIGHT NOW and regardless of who it will be, trying to fulfill every one of G-d's commandments with the Rebbe screaming in our ears to Ker a velt heint! (Turn the world over [for G-d]) http://www.chabad.org/blogs/blog_cdo/aid/984883/jewish/Ker-A-Velt.htm Can you imagine! But in the halacha, which we never disregard, the halacha of Moshiach is clear in Rambam (Maimonedes.) There are two designations that are applicable in halacha for Moshiach. A possibility (presumptive) (B'chezkas) Moshiach, and Vadai (actually) Moshiach. The following are the criteria for identifying the Moshiach, as written by Maimonides: If we see a Jewish leader who (a) toils in the study of Torah and is meticulous about the observance of the mitzvot, (b) influences the Jews to follow the ways of the Torah and (c) wages the "battles of G‑d"—such a person is the "presumptive Moshiach." If the person succeeded in all these endeavors, and then rebuilds the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and facilitates the ingathering of the Jews to the Land of Israel—then we are certain that he is the Moshiach. (from: Rambam Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings and this site: http://www.chabad.org/library/moshiach/article_cdo/aid/1121893/jewish/The-Basics.htm) At this time in Jewish/world history, we have no actual Moshiach. Throughout Jewish history there is a tradition of believing/wanting one's leader to be the Messiah-- does not make it so. We have false messiahs. We have the current state-- a world on the brink with enormous potential to be informed of G-d and His commandments for Jews (613) and gentiles (7.) We all have to have our dilithium crystals that drive us towards the goal. It's so hard to understand an orthodox Jew's motivation-- I know... having as a principle of faith (again, Rambam) that Moshiach is coming today, and having such a history of waking up after it (the Final Redemption) did not yet come. So it's today, the 3rd day of the month of Sivan, 5774 years since creation. BUT-- we never stray from halacha. Moshiach will be a regular person, a frum (religious, G-d-fearing) Jew. See above. Regarding the Christian (or fine, at the time, nascent Christ-centered Jewish) eye-witnesses at the time that you reference, I see it as forgery and adapting a new religion with much less stringent opinions and requirements than say, conversion to Judaism and circumcision would require. Like the theme of the original class I posted, there seem to have been stages and fall-back positions of how to get people to accept Jesus as messiah... until whole-cloth adaptation of pagan customs in order to widen the tent (no analogies to what RINOs want of the GOP...that would totally set the religious Christians on this thread off the handle and get me zotted!) One more time though, it's worth mentioning again-- Moshiach will build the 3rd Temple...this is a Do-not-pass-go, do-not-collect-$200 wicket. Some perceive this whole thread as antagonistic-- maybe a bit. But I've been asked to "open my heart" at night and "truly ask Jesus to give me a sign" (most recently from my house inspector... damn deal fell through!) So open your Christian hearts and listen to an MP4....
  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 12:35:59 PM PDT · 103 of 138
    Phinneous to sasportas

    I said all (real) Jews are equally Jewish, from Moses to Harvey Finkelstein. There is a binary, equal, G-dly soul.

    Re letters vs John’s vision? It is a classic agree to disagree— I don’t believe in any NT prophecy. The opening argument to the video class was that “Let’s assume Acts is authentic...” Someone in the thread earlier counted the witnesses to the resurrection. Big deal (to the Jew....) Didn’t Elisha already resurrect a child? There is no innovation in resurrection. There is also no innovation in trying to trick Jews I guess.

    I don’t want to put words in Rabbi Skobac’s mouth, but Jews believe all Christianity, “New” anything, is heresy (for Jews. Christians should live moral lives based on the 7 Noahide laws of course.) It’s a great deal actually. No ‘pesky’ commandments to follow but 7. (Pesky in quotes because they are gold for Jews. Diamonds. Life itself.)

    One more job description of a kabbalist, by the way, is to take the Hebrew word for anything in creation, and connect it back to its source in the 10 utterances of creation (the 9 “let there be’s” and the 1 “In the beginning.”) “Connect it” is part of the class on The Gates of Unity and Faith that I linked to earlier. Some kabbalists just theoretically ‘connect’ objects/concepts of our world to their G-dly root. Others actually create reality. Want more fodder (for Greetings_Puny_Humans-types?)

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2293219/jewish/Is-the-Lab-Created-Burger-Kosher.htm

    (Stories of Kabbalists creating beef vis-a-vis modern questions of test-tube-grown meat.....)

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 11:35:16 AM PDT · 92 of 138
    Phinneous to sasportas

    More Jewish than me??!!?? No way! I’m hard core! :)

    It’s binary: Jewish or not. So if they existed and were Jewish, then we’d be the same.

    But if you insist on preaching, here’s a story:

    A Jew converted and went to a Christian seminary. After immersing himself in studies, and with a knack for speaking, his priests and teachers decided to give him the pulpit.
    After the riveting sermon, the priests approached him. “Wonderful! Powerful!” “But, do you think next time you could start with something other than, ‘My fellow goyim...?’”

    Once Jewish (for real) always Jewish. (not your original topic, but cute, no?)

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 10:46:29 AM PDT · 85 of 138
    Phinneous to HiTech RedNeck

    Judaism can certainly seem cold, unfortunately and to our detriment. We do believe that it was part of G-d’s plan to sustain us until this time. For warmth, see Chassidus.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/147465/jewish/On-the-Teachings-of-Chassidus.htm

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 10:31:04 AM PDT · 82 of 138
    Phinneous to HiTech RedNeck

    “Meshuga (crazy)” You sound like a chassid.... we already have a tradition of being crazy for G-d. It dates back to the Tabernacle. (I believe this predates Jesus by about 800 years)

    http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/basi-legani/08.htm

    It’s a little “yeshivish” (ie, in a mix of English, Yiddish, and transliterated Hebrew) but you may find it interesting.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 10:08:25 AM PDT · 78 of 138
    Phinneous to roamer_1

    Sounds good to me. Thanks Hi-Tech! Good compromise.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 9:58:14 AM PDT · 76 of 138
    Phinneous to sasportas

    Such a great question! You’re right—it is exactly a kabbalist’s job description.

    I’ll answer (though not a kabbalist myself) with an example of Man. Man in Hebrew is adam. In our Yeshaya, 14:14, we find (in Hebrew) ADAM-EH L’ELYON, (I will be like the Most High)

    ADAM-EH means “to be similar (to)” This is the basis of the etymology of Man being “in the image” of G-d. He created our existing spiritual and physical worlds with the Holy Tonge (Hebrew) and the Torah can only be understood, in plain meaning and in contextual meaning, with an understanding of Hebrew.

    ...if you remain unconvinced, I won’t be offended.

    For graduate Jewish study, here is a chapter of Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi, ZT’L, the innovater of the Lubavitch chassidic movement’s “Shar haYichud v’Emunah” (The Gates of Unity and Faith” talking about your question:

    http://www.chabad.org/dailystudy/tanya.asp?tdate=6/5/2014

    It’s hard to convey the meaning in a linked interlinear (with one language being illegible to the other party) website. If you really want to understand more PM me please.

    IN BRIEF ANSWER TO YOUR LAST QUESTION-— (which Hebrew letter...) it was actually the words, the combination of the letters (each with its own energy) that counts.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 7:11:13 AM PDT · 73 of 138
    Phinneous to af_vet_1981

    I believe the Jews were given, 3326 years and five days ago, 2 sapphire, square (not like the rounded and oft-depicted ones Charlton Heston brought down) tablets upon which were written the 10 commandments for Jews (ahem, in Hebrew,) and then 40 days, one highly misunderstood golden calf incident (and broken aforementioned tablets,) and another 80 days later... a complete written and oral Torah via Moses our prophet...and a brand new set of sapphire tablets to boot, this time carved by Moses and engraved by G-d Himself.

    The Books of Moses absolutely cannot be understood by themselves. Here is a link to some collated proofs of this fact, but in broad brush, there are many life-death (sentence) situations where G-d commands us to do or not to do something and then doesn’t explain it. (ie, “work” on the Sabbath.) Wouldn’t our benevolent Creator bother to tell us what He is talking about— with great, exacting detail? Can I light a fire on the Sabbath? No, it says so explicitly. Great. Can I move a sofa in my living room? It’s life or death— I better have a ready-answer...

    http://www.aishdas.org/student/oral.htm

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/09/2014 6:57:31 AM PDT · 72 of 138
    Phinneous to Cvengr

    ...Or heresy and spiritual excision of the soul, if one is Jewish.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:34:53 PM PDT · 54 of 138
    Phinneous to hinckley buzzard

    Did you listen to the whole thing? Just curious. I post a lot of classes because I assume everyone is downloading audio and listening to it while conducting end-of-day duties like dish washing, etc...

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:28:28 PM PDT · 52 of 138
    Phinneous to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    The Jews do indeed agree with Christ on the matter

    From my proof text, and your concurrence, he agrees with us on the matter. [of the Oral Law and Sabbath violation.]

    I’m addressing what I can without further research at this hour. Why does it always get interesting so late...or during work hours?

    “We wait in peace, as the prophecies have been fulfilled. You wait in silence...”

    So again, I wait in silence...for G-d to send Moshiach (and for Christendom to unravel, like in the end of the original posted class and on this thread ‘celebrating’ the reformation: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3165205/posts)

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:20:28 PM PDT · 50 of 138
    Phinneous to Telepathic Intruder

    G-d and His prophet Moses just put the Law in my heart anew last Wednesday...the 3326th time since the original revelation at Sinai. We actually never stop counting.

    FOLLOWING as carefully and to the best of one’s G-d-given ability the written-down rules is EXACTLY what we strive for. Lest you then think the Jew doesn’t have a spiritual side, just dry, route law, one of the laws themselves is to KNOW G-d. So the Christian world’s (and most of the Jewish world’s) lack of insight into Judaism can’t be helped.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:16:07 PM PDT · 48 of 138
    Phinneous to WildHighlander57

    It doesn’t follow for Jews. We believe that we are deputized and consecrated by G-d to bring Him “down” into the world through the commandments. See prior posts regarding sin. As for “original sin” ie, we are all doomed...(if not ‘saved’) we simply don’t believe it. We have our rules of repentance, long before JC.

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:13:31 PM PDT · 47 of 138
    Phinneous to ifinnegan

    Sorry about that. Which part? I’m trying to give only when I got (and trying to make it real not perceived getting)

    Which comment was (conditionally) nice?

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:12:06 PM PDT · 46 of 138
    Phinneous to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    Only time for one more tonight, but I KNEW you were typing up a long megilla!

    So, discussions on rabbis for later, on your last point:

    “And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.” (Mar 2:23-28)

    WE take this to demonstrate that he was a Torah observant Jew of the Written and Oral Laws, wherein we teach clearly that in a matter of preserving life, “violate one Sabbath to keep many future Sabbaths.”

    It’s lock-step with the Rabbi’s presentation. Your other quotes I’ll have to look into. It seems to me Mark ad-libbed the last part.

    At the end of the class, the Rabbi speaks of Christendom pulling itself apart. Were you part of this fine thread at all GPH? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3165205/posts

    I’ll wait in silence I guess. (Serenity now Serenity now!) (to quote Mr. Costanza)

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:04:31 PM PDT · 43 of 138
    Phinneous to Ruy Dias de Bivar

    Like I said to Greetings_Puny_Humans, we’ve both been waiting a long time, ey? Our real prophets have told us Jews that the service of our lips replaces the sacrifices (for now) and repentance can be done in an instant. Jews have laws for everything (even how to pee, as GPH points out sarcastically but truthfully, without being able to fathom the reasons, ever)

    On repentance, the way for a Jew:
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/911887/jewish/Teshuvah.htm

  • A Rabbi Cross-Examines Christianity (Jews For Jesus, Messianic Jewish Christians, Michael Brown)

    06/08/2014 10:00:28 PM PDT · 42 of 138
    Phinneous to beethovenfan

    James was so right! Wow! I’m not kidding.... when he apparently says “...and yet offended in one point....”

    We totally believe that with one fault, a person is judged completely wicked. The good news is he can repent fully in an instant. So we don’t agree with James on the rest of...probably everything.

    Your first part from Romans, is right in line with what the Rabbi was teaching in the class...if you can’t convert them, smear them. We’re pretty content that we know what G-d wants of us (He for one wants me to go to bed...but I just can’t.)