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"trying to understand the cult of the moonrock is fruitless.... it's just plain evil."

Amen.

"Supply and Demand

Shame on the supplier and shame on the demand."

Yup. That's why I can't fathom how some otherwise good men can go to prostitutes. How can they be sure if the gal they're patronizing is working under duress, thereby making them rapists rather than customers? I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

"If she gave herself a shot I wonder if she did it correctly and if it was not expired. Sad. RIP"

One shot doesn't always do the trick. IMO, highly allergic people should always keep two Epi-Pens on hand.

"You know, she was approached by some TV producers who wanted her to host a "Who Wants to Be a Porn Star" type show, similar to the premise of American Idol. She was appalled by the idea, and said she didn't want to influence girls to choose her career.

How sad is it when the porn star has more sense than the TV producers?"

If she's the one I'm thinking of, she IS doing it. For the Playboy channel. Saw a commercial for it while watching SpikeTV at about 2 in the morning.

"We're talking about people who believe that filling a particular scrip will be the same as being an accomplice to murder, and you treat it like it's the same issue as a Muslim wanting to take the whole month of Ramadan as paid vacation. And you chide others for being "dismissive" of others' feelings."

Hmm. You're chiding me for chiding others for being dismissive at the same time as you dismiss the hypothetical religious concerns of muslims. If I'm a hypocrite, then so are you. Have the last word.

Nice rant.

"I often find it hard to believe Maureen Dowd has any sense, at any time, of any happiness at all."

Gotta disagree. I think she takes great perverse pleasure in her bitterness. I imagine her giggling to herself as she ponders life's hatred of her, scribbles her tripe and guzzles her gin.

"I often find it hard to believe Maureen Dowd has any sense, at any time, of any happiness at all."

Gotta disagree. I think she takes great perverse pleasure in her bitterness. I imagine her giggling to herself as she ponders life's hatred of her, scribbles her tripe and guzzles her gin.

"First, the vast majority of pharmacists got into the field before this issue came up, and now people like you want to come along and say, "My way or find a new career." That sure doesn't seem American to me; more like the stuff in Germany where they can send you to get a job as a prostitute if your real career is overmanned."

That is also a false comparison. The government in the Target case is not requiring people to work as pharmacists against their will.

"Second, we're not talking about mere job arrangements. Take the case of Illinois, where the Governor has forced pharmacists to fill these scrips and has promised to pull their licenses if they resist. Here's a guy telling private businesspeople what they will stock, who they will serve and how they will serve them, all in violation of the establishment and free exercise clauses. There's a lot at stake here."

In other words, he's trying to force his belief system on the pharmacists who are trying to force their belief systems on individual customers.

"A closer analogy would be a Hindu who buys a chicken farm, and five years later the state comes in and tells him he's going to raise 50 head of beef steers for slaughter a year and like it, or they'll close his chicken farm. Would you just say, "Well, he has to find a new career," or would you stand up for his rights?"

Close, but no cigar. The difference here is that the pharmacists took an oath to dispense legally prescribed drugs. They did not take an oath to dispense the ones they feel like dispensing. I doubt the Hindu took an oath to slaughter whatever came his way.

"That's what Rod Blagojevich here in Illinois did when he started forcing pharmacists to do this, and you're on his side of this issue."

As a matter of fact, I'm not. I don't think he has any standing.

"Government intrusion wasn't at stake with Target,"

Which is why I didn't address that particular subject.

"Planned Parenthood would love to have the State forcing Target to do their will."

You're right. And I'd be against them in that case bcse then they'd be doing the same thing as the pharmacists I take issue with: forcing their belief system on others.

PS - I smell a quandary for some people re Target this shopping season. Do they boycott them bcse they've removed Christmas from their stores or do they shop they're bcse they're supporting pro-life pharmacists?

"A rape victim who does not go to the police and allow evidence collection is enabling the rapist."

I agree 100%.

"2. Pointing out that a group of people is small enough that their travails should not be used as an excuse to violate fundamental human rights is not dismissive, either."

See now, that's where we disagree. I don't happen to believe that being able to dictate which job duties you will and won't perform according to your particular belief system is a fundamental human right.

"The tiny, miniscule perecentage refers to the number of rape victims seeking the morning-after pill vs the overall number of women who seek it"

Why don't you give me some verifiable numbers.

"I'm not dismissive of them. If they do not seek police help after a rape, and instead seek out their doctors, they are reducing the likelihood of getting help from the police."

Many women in he said/she said situations choose not to go the police bcse they believe it'll be an exercise in futility. Convictions in such cases are not exactly common and they decide not to go through all that. They still need medical care, though. I don't agree with that attitude, but it exists.

"If you read the article, Target makes a point of saying that the pill would be made available somehow. That is not being dismissive."

I did read the article. My problem with this is that it opens the door to the idea that people have a right to demand that their employers accommodate their religious beliefs, even when those beliefs go against things that the government and the people, for better or worse, have deemed legal. If someone finds that performing their job is morally offensive, they should seek work elsewhere. Render unto Caesar...

"I would probably be right is saying that a huge percentage of the practicing pharmists entered the profession and got their degree/certification long before this question ever arose. A very weak argument at best."

So then a man who is an emergency room physician who converts to islam should have the right to suddenly refuse to treat female car accident victims bcse his new religion says it's a sin to touch a naked woman not his wife? Or an army sergeant who becomes a Quaker can refuse to take up arms in a time of war? Same situation. Different beliefs. Your logic.

"Spoken by the person who wants to force another to contribute to the death of a child because of the liberal view that women are entitled to em."

No one can force a pharmacist to dispense the drug. They can quit at any time.

"Sounds like bullchit to me, women know they need to go to a hospital for evidense to be collected."

Yes, they know that hospitals collect evidence, but a significant number of victims do not report the crime, particularly if it was someone they knew. I worked at a crisis center and dealt with more than a few women who just wanted to forget the whole thing, but still needed to be examined. They chose their own doctors.

"Your making excuses for forcing people to give the means for an abortion against their personal beliefs."

No one HAS to become a pharmacist. If you're a kosher Jew, don't take a job at pork factory. If you're a pacifist, don't join the army. If you're an islamo-nut who's offended by women's bodies, don't take a job as a cabana boy. And if you're against birth control, don't take a job that requires you to dispense it. People are always entitled to their personal belief systems, but they are NOT entitled to force others to conform to those beliefs. That's what liberals do.

"By the time this proverbial rape victim got to see their personal physician or ob/gyn the plan B medication would be too late. See if you can call in this morning and get a same day appointment."

All ob/gyn docs keep at least one slot per day open for emergency visits. With pregnant patients, it's a necessity.

"As far as I am aware, ALL hospitals are equipped with that drug to give to rape victims."

As I pointed out in another post, not all rape victims go to the hospital. Those without major injuries often feel more comfortable seeing a private physician who gives them a prescription that they have to fill. Moreover, there is a FP poster who has claimed to be an ER physician who proudly refuses to give the morning pill out to rape victims.

"Miniscule, tiny, minute proportions. Besides, the hospital can give it to them."

Every single rape victim who seeks medical treatment is offered the morning after pill if they aren't already on the pill, not tiny, miniscule percentages. And, sorry, but all rape victims do not go to the hospital. A significant number of them see personal physicians, usually their ob/gyn. Guess what those private physicians give them? That's right: a prescription, which they need to fill.

It's disgusting that you can be so dismissive of rape victims.

Oops. I got the state wrong. It was actually NY.

"In the hoopla of the Innocence Project patting itself on the back and turning Avery into a noble hero for his years of suffering for a crime he truly did not commit, people kind of forgot his "lesser," proven convictions for other antisocial acts, like burglary, and perhaps even more significant, animal abuse."

Yup. I don't think people realize how many of these wrongly convicted guys have long, long criminal histories. It's usually not that the cops got an innocent guy; it's that they got the wrong scumbag in a particular case. The truly innocent person wrongly convicted is thankfully a rarity.

Btw, this wouldn't be the first time the Innocence Project helped get a guy out of jail who went on to commit another crime. They got a guy in CT out years back on the basis of a DNA test. The victim still swears he was the perp - he broke into her house and raped her, then went back again months later and did it again and she saw his face both times. Anyway, he was freed and went right out and raped a woman, only this time he tried to wash the DNA out of her after he attacked her. Didn't work.