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Stirring up what ought to be ancient news. Why did the US ever get the government involved in a “war on poverty”? Since picking that fight, poverty has won more than it had beforehand. Its bribes are what has kept the black man down.

Ain’t it funny all right, folks who will not concede there is a God are sure there is a hell to go to. (Theology in the middle of the night.)

While the air being tested probably was less bad than in heavy freeway traffic or next to a bus terminal or airport (ever smelled what it’s like next to Chicago O’Hare?) it still has a ghoulish sound.

This is true. It doesn’t care about spiritual things, only limited views of an emotional state.

If you believe you truly “created” an “inner demon” you do not yet have spiritual understanding. You face, rather, a veritable cafeteria of spirit that you have the ability to choose from, and God wants you to choose wisely. You can permit an evil spirit to reach in to your heart and soul, and this does not need to be a theatrical case of pea soup spewing possession in order to work a heap of hurt to you. Some of these evil spirits can promise bliss, and the spiritually ignorant and/or immoral in the psychology business can tell you to follow that “bliss.” If you are not yet giving God the glory, but still giving yourself the glory, for “casting out inner demons” then you probably just switched inner demons.

You are wrong: it is a deeply flawed but sometimes still useful profession. It needs to learn about spiritual matters and to honor God again, however, to reach anything close to its potential.

Frankly, I think you are making excuses for lack of spiritual zeal and laziness.

I’m sorry to inform you that you are right about then and wrong about now! The tone changed drastically after Pentecost when the Paraclete came. Jesus was talking about a pre-crucifixion ministry here. Please don’t just toss your bible into a blender and expect to get anything but dirty grey mush back out. And even if one were to take this limited pre-crucifixion charge as the tone for today, one has to look at how Jesus came to sinners, ate at their banquets, and did exactly the thing you claim He preached against.

It is laboring under a load of half truths. It looks like it proved singularly unhelpful for you and I’m glad you did not pursue what proved singularly unhelpful. Unless you can offer better, however, don’t just go taking an indiscriminate wrecking ball to the whole notion.

There’s a lot of shooting from the hip. However I would assert boldly that most of what is conducted as psychology and psychiatry today is bereft of a sense of the spiritual. That does not make psychology and psychiatry necessarily useless, but does hobble it and sometimes misleads it badly.

Szasz is both right and wrong. Until his overview of behavioral matters reaches the domain of spiritual behavior he will only have an incomplete theory.

If this is all you can hop on me for, first please at least be aware that you are accusing me of making excuses for the ghastly witches of PP. I do not. This is a triage in extremis situation... two people are in a boat, it can only hold one, so who do you save... and a good mother would if necessary and possible give HER life so that her BABY would live. But if not possible (e.g. tubal pregnancy) then the benefit of the triage should go to the woman in peril.

Here’s another thing that is very ill known, and Satan wants to keep it that way. Homosexuality is a perversion that Satan coaxes many a person who is spiritually sensitive into. Indeed the person cannot get there without choosing turns along the way, but as already lost sinners, their light is virtually gone. The devil also knows that if these persons are saved, they have the capacity to be dynamite for the Lord. They’ve been worshiping strongly all right... worshiping strong deluding idols which are composed of other men’s bodies (in the case of men, or women’s in the case of women). This is the capacity that God the Father wants to fill with a spirit that calls out “Abba! Father!” directly to Him — which is manly in the case of men and womanly in the case of women — and which sins no more. Hence Satan also does point work on Christians who ought to know better, to turn them to almost any reaction to homosexuals but aggressive evangelization.

Anyhow, my larger point is that of Christians being able to bring the power of God to bear upon a situation — like this — needing it, through their faith. This is no man made, self worshiping, self worked up zeal. It is the fruit of faithfully catching the Holy Spirit and walking in this Spirit. Some Christians may develop it quickly after becoming believers. Others might take decades. In any case, the result is nothing short of awesome, and why should Satan’s magicians give the Father of Lies (and the biggest lie is that we owe the devil anything) all the glory in the work of spirit? While God’s servants have to hang back half zombified only able to utter feeble prayers and mumble a hymn or two? Oh my dear Jesus. He is so, so, so powerful! But the power has to first be allowed to work in us, and striven for. Then we can share it.

St. John 8:11

This is indeed the completion of the reconciliation. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify; I do not unsay a word of scripture. But the BEGINNING does not happen without the initiative of CHRIST applying the power. THAT is in scripture too!

The trouble here is that too many people posit an antiseptic process, not one of grit and dirt and struggle finally capped with complete victory. As though the homosexuals could repent of their own niceness then apply to God for mercy on account of that. NO WAY, THAT IS NOT HOW GOD WORKS... and praise His name that He is so dynamic, He shows us that when the world fails, He does not.

It was more than a “talking ass” and people oh so nicely getting the hint. It involved aid of Holy Spirit... in every single solitary case of repentance, whether or not explicitly documented in a particular instance.

You misread my statements to say I “justify homosexuality.” No! Christ died to reconcile the ungodly to God. He must chain sin down AND empower people through His spirit before people can walk free of sin. It is a basic spiritual principle of redemption, as basic as breathing, and those who are either ignorantly or willfully clueless about this are making themselves very obvious here.

All men are mired in sin from birth, the bible says so. If you do not want to believe the bible that’s a problem I gladly turn over to my Heavenly Father.

You agree that we got to put the fire in the house out... but our approach to the cat marking in the corner must be forceful....

You believe in God? Don’t deny His power. I see petty demonry, not Christ, in the women... knock those thoughts out of their heads... that is the real LOL. Spirit and spirit alone can do that to these souls so tightly enchained in sin.

I am talking stark spiritual reality not some dusty dry theory.

If this is mocking what I said: then LOL yourself puffed head Fred. You don’t have understanding one about spiritual elemental truths.

You read my message so wrong, whether purposely or not I leave that between the Lord and you, but if you are a Christian (if you are not, I pray you believe at once) you should know that Christ loved you first before you were capable of loving Him.

Look in your bible for where “we love Him because HE FIRST LOVED US”... you think you can furnish any mite of “repentance” worth anything at all in your own power? Without the prior aid of the spirit of Christ pressing against the evil holding you captive to sin? You are so, so sadly deluded if you do so think.

Yes, the feeling is understandable.

However what is breathtaking is that the church doesn’t get out there in spiritual force, not just a lone brave evangelist either (a cord of three is not easily broken). Jesus and the apostles were men of miracles; if it is not quite so easy to raise the dead today it still is well within His power to sock Satan right on the nose in his strongholds!

I mean the spirit of Christ... hopefully some little grammatical flub does not fundamentally damn my thrust...

“For our fight is not against flesh and blood... it is against the rulers, principalities and powers of evil in the heavenly places” ... recognize that from any book huh?

OH, for Christ to walk our streets and do miracles again! It can. The body it can walk in is the church.

Of course you won’t! I’m calling out the spiritual flabbiness of a church that whines about this and won’t spiritually mob back against the spirits of faggotry.

Second step, meet them right out there with the gospel. Sounds like these bishops are spiritually flabby. Jesus can punch those spirits of faggotry right on the nose.

Every believer was proud before he became a believer. You want antiseptic circumstances where the sinner quietly does his repenting behind closed doors. Uh-uh that is not Jesus’ way. He confronted right on the street.

Maybe they SHOULD care. These are the folks needing to be evangelized, coming right out where they can be met.

Christ was a fag lover. He died to save fags’ souls. I respect that.

What you saw here indeed is the common worldly response to such a thing. Yes it is good that people don’t like homosexuality, it may help keep them from falling that way and further complicating their sin. But for those who have fallen, has Christ suffered and died any the less for them? I say aggressive evangelization of the homosexual lost is a very rare thing today and that is one of the worst shames of all.

How much “pullback” effort is there? I am not brushing off the evil, I am taking to deep heart the admonition “overcome evil with goodness.” Society is not the highest good, even.

How about more “pullback.” Pull the lost soul back to heaven. There is precious little of that being spoken for.

All the hatred that the world can generate won’t get those souls a millimeter further from hell.

If you saw Christ weeping over all this, maybe you would quit your mocking and take a deeper spiritual look at both yourself and the scene.

This certainly is a hot flash point of conflict in the world.

Homosexual practice is wrong and “evangelists” for it are a growing scourge on family and society today, no if’s, and’s, or but’s about it. But as for the “worst sin” — uh, Jesus said there was only one of those. Which is refusal to accept Him as Lord and Savior. The Christian lady had a point, if not the most eloquently put.

I speak like this because I am a staunch defender of Jesus Christ’s redemptive power which can (and daily DOES) reach even to “filthy homos.”

Which is, however, offering himself (and yourself) up to the wrong deity.

I think he may have had noble sentiments but did not realize what a yapping pack of unthinking PC robots he was on the verge of heading up, and we now probably have one more conservative who was a liberal mugged by reality in the world.

Nutwestern? As a grad alum of that place I’d believe it, but it still makes me sad.

A Comedian cannot stand to be Joked about?

They really are trolls. Did Bush ever do something this juvenile?

A rotten avocado and a big huge yummy fresh grape... I guess they are biomass, that’s about the only similarity.

Well... I would say he needs a psychiatrist, but he really needs to come sincerely to Jesus Christ. He’s so full of spiritual holes he is like the swiss cheese of soul.

Bush out classes Obama in any way you can possibly think. What do you mean no comparison, are you being kitten silly?

Every. Body. Rebel.

The difference in garb really rubs it in. If this were GWB he’d have a raincoat or sumfin on himself.

And it’s because the good Lord fights for faithful Christians... so many of them may get fed to the lions but then the Lion of Judah roars back... and the result for the unrepenting oppressors is not pretty....

BGEA... that’s asking for trouble. You’re messin’ with fightin’ fundies there, however soft spoken Billy himself was.