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I hope that Evelyn accepted Jesus Christ grace of God and leaned to follow the Apostle Paul's Grace which Paul received directly from the risen glorified Christ Jesus after His resurrection - the Apostle Paul is today's minister to the Gentiles and Jew (together, as we are all believer-saints together In Christ the Body of Christ). The mystery of Christ and mystery of God that today both Jew and Gentiles are fellow members equally inside the Body of Christ, which Christ as the head of the Church, which is His Body of believer-saints around the world. Amen.

Romans 16:25: Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:26: But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

I Corinthians 4:16: Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

I Corinthians 11:1: Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

I watched that lie from the liberal on NFL today ... insult, a slur... only to the liberal liars. I do not use redskin as any form or insult or slur to amy indians whom I have known and meet often. The liberal liars are simply trying to stir up things and create a drama the does not exist exist - except in the mind of the liberal liars...

Amen, the Glorified Christ Jesus chose and commissioned the Apostle Paul to reveal the Church, the mystery of both Jew and Gentile, INTO the Body of Christ. That same Paul was the masterbuilder from the foundation which was established by Jesus Christ; not Peter.

I Corinthians 3:10: According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

I Corinthians 3:11: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

This foundation that Christ laid was given unto a wise masterbuilder, the Apostle Paul for all Jews and gentiles following the resurrection of Christ Jesus.

However, God has declared ALL believers Saints whom to believe in the Lord Christ Jesus for salvation and mercy and grace via God the Father and the Lord Christ Jesus. Today on earth ALL believers are Saints. A saint (believer-saint) does not need to ‘wait’ to die and go to heaven to be recognized as a saint, we are ALL saints at the precise moment of belief in the faith OF Christ for Jesus Christ is FAITHFUL to save us from our sins (past-present-future).

Amen. We are DECLARED Saints by GOD, not men: Catholics do ignore the 'saint' declaration inside the Word of Truth:

Romans 1:7: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans 12:13: Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

Romans 15:25: But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

Romans 15:26: For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

Romans 15:31: That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;

Romans 16:2: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Romans 16:15: Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.

I Corinthians 1:2: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

I Corinthians 6:1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

I Corinthians 6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

I Corinthians 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I Corinthians 16:1: Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

I Corinthians 16:15: I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

II Corinthians 1:1: Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

II Corinthians 8:4: Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

II Corinthians 9:1: For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

II Corinthians 9:12: For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

II Corinthians 13:13: All the saints salute you.

Ephesians 1:1: Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 1:15: Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Ephesians 1:18: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 2:19: Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Ephesians 3:8: Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Ephesians 3:18: May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Ephesians 4:12: For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 5:3: But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Ephesians 6:18: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Philippians 1:1: Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Philippians 4:22: All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.

Colossians 1:2: To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:4: Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

Colossians 1:12: Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Colossians 1:26: Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

I Thessalonians 3:13: To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

II Thessalonians 1:10: When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

I Timothy 5:10: Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Philemon 1:5: Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

Philemon 1:7: For we have great joy and consolation in thy love, because the bowels of the saints are refreshed by thee, brother.

Consider who laid the foundation - Christ:

I Corinthians 3:10: According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

I Corinthians 3:11: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

This foundation that Christ laid was given unto a wise masterbuilder, the Apostle Paul for all Jews and gentiles following the resurrection of Christ Jesus.

Peter writes further by the revelation of God:

II Peter 3:15: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

II Peter 3:16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So what do people do with respect to II Peter 3:15, 3:16?

Christ is the Rock and the foundation - and Christ raise up the Apostle Paul after the resurrection (Acts 9), and Peter writes II Peter 3:15,16. So if Peter is writing from authority, and Paul also writing from authority, in which Paul has received the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ. We then must acknowledge that the apostle Paul did write unto you the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ (I Cor. 14:37, I Thess 4:2); all these sound doctrines came directly from the Lord Jesus Christ (resurrected).

I Corinthians 14:37: If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

I Thessalonians 4:2: For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

If someone fights against these, as Peter so revealed, then they also fight against God and His Words in the entire Bible, but especially in God's epistles - which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The Apostle and disciple Peter did give a perfect witness of Messiah (Christ) and Peter is the 'rock' of that faith. And Peter was faithful in his ministry to the Jews (circumcision), as Paul was faithful in his ministry to the Gentiles (uncircumcision):

Galatians 2:7: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Galatians 2:8: For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:

Our apostle Paul did write unto you the the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ (I Cor. 14:37, I Thess 4:2); all these sound doctrines came directly from the Lord Jesus Christ.

I Corinthians 14:37: If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

I Thessalonians 4:2: For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

Faith alone in Christ is FULL and COMPLETE justification for our salvation: Gal. 2:16 and 3:26. Inside Gal. 3:26, God reckons, counts us, all as children of God by faith in Christ.

Galatians 2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Since God reckons us all as children of God by faith in Christ, it cannot get any simpler than that Scripture.

Now if we consider the Word of God, we must consider all these as the Words of God (I Cor. 14:37, I Thess 4:2, Gal. 2:16 and 3:26) which were DIRECTLY REVEALED to our Apostle Paul to write unto you regarding for today the new commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ (I Cor. 14:37, I Thess 4:2). Failing to receive these commandments from the Lord Jesus Christ and to recognize that the epistles have grace commandments from the Lord Jesus Christ, will be turn out to destruction, exactly what Peter wrote about people or religious organization that reject these things -

II Peter 3:15: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

II Peter 3:16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

If someone fights against these, as Peter so revealed, then they also fight against God and His Words in the entire Bible, but especially in God's epistles - which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church should practice true Grace doctrines from the Apostle Paul our Apostle to the gentiles today - Warren is a false doctrine teaching works salvation and itching ears false doctrine; his lusts of works salvation will result in: Romans 4:4: Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. That reckoning - works salvation will result in Rick and all his followers (not I), a debt which they will never be able to repay God.

II Timothy 4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

II Timothy 4:4: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church should practice true Grace doctrines from the Apostle Paul our Apostle to the gentiles today - Warren is a false doctrine teaching works salvation and itching ears false doctrine; his lusts of works salvation will result in: Romans 4:4: Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. That reckoning - works salvation will result in Rick and all his followers (not I), a debt which they will never be able to repay God

II Timothy 4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

II Timothy 4:4: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Ephesians 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

What I am about to write here, I am very serious about this, and I am very serious about what the Bible says concerning evil; God's Word is absolutely correct about these doctrines to explain why Obama appears to be so evil. Consider this following, read and follow through to the end:

Satan took 1/3 of all the angels of heaven when he sinned in Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High

These angels, now devils, are now all occupying the realms of the invisible thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: and each of these devils in the invisible thrones, dominions, principalities, powers is "assigned", so to speak, to each nation leadership, China, Japan, Germany, USA, Mexico, Vietnam, Congo, Canada, England....all 200+ nations in the world. Every nation is affected, no one is immune from Satan's reach.

The reason Obama is so evil is because he is a fraud of a Christian, a complete Christ rejecting liar, a Muslem and a socialist communist; up until now our leaders have not had too much of such depth of evil, but Obama takes it to the new level in the USA for the first time in our history. Notice other nations how when they have men who are evil minded that their nations go strait to the pits!!! That is because the evil devils inside that invisible thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers have power over those nation's leaders and these devils have strong, strong power influence to create evil inside the leadership and administrations of these nations. This is what is happening to the USA with Obama as the president. Since Obama rejects Christ Jesus, and loves his Muslem fail, the devils have NO resistance from Obama, so he simply falls in line with the devils demons and exercises the tip of evil administrative practices, like breaking the law, no respect for the constitution, not following the constitution mandates of the role of president, maybe even indirectly responsible for some peoples' deaths (?).

Therefore, what we have here now the USA is we are all, conservatives, not liberals, fighting against the president in principle, and the president has the powers of the invisible thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So our battle, so to say, is against TWO fronts, Obama and the invisible thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers that are working with him.

The best defense against this is prayer to God Almighty to protect us from this evil administration and the evil spiritual wickedness in high places. Amen.

Today we have this model prayer pattern that God through the resurrected Christ Jesus gave to our Apostle Paul to show us how to pray to God, and it is this prayer pattern that is the best example of today's grace prayers for our inner man to be strengthened with might by God's Holy Spirit; and for saints today to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height and the love of Christ Jesus, and to be filled with all the fulness of God. Now this is thee model prayer pattern today for the saints of God, believer-saints In Christ.

Today, prayer to God is what He wants from us, to be done in spirit and truth. We pray in Spirit, for His Holy Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26). We pray in Truth, for Christ is Truth (John 14:6). And our prayer pattern for today focus primarily on the spiritual inner man build-up and knowledge and growth in grace and maturity as a believer-saint and as sons of God (Romans 8:14, Galatins 4:5,6,7). For we know that our "God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:19). Since God supply all our need according to his riches, this automatically includes the common basic necesities to live on planet earth. Of course sometimes we lack these necesities, but not to worry, for the Holy Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26).

Today our prayer are primarily on the spiritual focus for our inner man to grow in the knowledge of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, not on the focus of the earthly physical necesities, nor for earthly riches, power, recognition, etc. God desires a spiritually mature believer-saint prayer.

Ephesians 3:14: For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 3:15: Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Ephesians 3:16: That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Ephesians 3:17: That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Ephesians 3:18: May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Ephesians 3:19: And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Ephesians 3:20: Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Ephesians 3:21: Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

In all this, we have this great confidence and assurance in God, which is - For we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

It is NOT a question that these men are dead, for surely Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elijah, and all faithful men and women in the Old Testament are alive with the resurrected Christ. But on the issue to praying for the dead, or those alive with Christ, this is not a Biblical matter to pray to, for Christ, the Head of the Church, His Body, all believer-saints, have HIM as our mediator to pray directly to God the Father by means of the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus.

I Timothy 2:5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

There is no need, nor any impress upon Christ Jesus, if we continue to pray to the dead (or alive with Christ, as to the point you are making). Today, we pray only directly to God via the mediation of Christ Jesus. He is the LORD over those who are alive with Christ, so why must anyone pray to the lower when we already have the HIGHER, which is Christ Jesus, the one mediator between God and men. All believer-saints should abandon praying to the dead (or alive with Christ). It accomplishes nothing that prayers to Christ Jesus would accomplish.

The Resurrected Lord Jesus Christ ABSOLUTELY DID WARN about homosexual sins in Romans Chapter 1:

Romans 1:26: For this cause God gave [homosexuals] them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Let No Man Deceive you with VAIN WORDS

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Let No Man Spoil you into PHILOSOPHY, VAIN DECEIT

Colossians 2:8: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Let No Man Entangle you into JUDGMENTS OF RELIGIOUS LEGALISM

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Let No Man Beguile you into RELIGIOUS LEGALISM, ORDINANCES, DOCTRINES OF MEN

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Colossians 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Colossians 2:21 Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Colossians 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Colossians 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Let No Man Entangle you into HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE

Romans 1:26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Let No Man Forbid you into MARRIAGE

I Timothy 4:3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Let No Man Defraud or Frustrate you in any MATTER, ESPECIALLY GRACE VS. LAW SALVATION

I Thessalonians 4:6: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
Galatians 2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 1:6: I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

II Corinthians 11:13: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Romans 1:16: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Obama and the Democrats are traitors...

Not to debate this...but one thing is clear: those who commit suicide will clearly not receive the reward of the crown of righteousness for they failed to trust in the Lord God fully for their sufferings.

Romans 8:18: For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

II Timothy 4:8: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Consider and listen to what Jesus Christ said by revelation (His Words, not men's imagination) to the great Apostle Paul to the Church, the Body of Christ:

I Timothy 1:16: Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

And at Damascus:

Acts 26:15: And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Acts 26:16: But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

Acts 26:17: Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee

Christ Jesus HIMSELF NOW sends Paul to the Gentiles - unto whom now I [Christ Jesus] send thee [Paul]

Therefore, be forewarned as Christ Jesus (the Word) gave Paul these Words of warning:

Romans 2:16: In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

First let's understand the progressive revelation of the LORD GOD.

During the Lord's earthly ministry, the book of Hebrews to the Hebrews, definitely not written by the Apostle Paul, makes references to heaven, but this book was not yet revealed until many years after the resurrection of Christ.

Second, using reference point again during the Lord's earthly ministry, only the Old Testament scriptures were in view regarding the understanding of kingdom promises (which are abundant inside the Old Testament scriptures). Therefore, to understand the earthly kingdom of God, it is necessary to accept the nature of progressive revelation, and to perceive that at that time of the Lord's Prayer, Jesus's testimony was in observance of the Law and Prophets and promises to the Fathers.

Then with that in mind, if one were to scrutinize the Old Testament scriptures for God's promises to the nation Israel, one will find a multitude of references and promises of an earthly kingdom of God in which the LORD will reign supreme from the physical Jerusalem on the earth. Take Isaiah and Exodus as examples. These are typical of God's promises for the nation Israel regarding an physical earthly kingdom:

Isaiah 2:1-3: The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.  And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 66:23: And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Exodus 19:5-6: Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people [in the nations]: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Even the book of Revelation confirms that the nation of Israel shall reign on the earth, not above in the heavenly places, as shall the believer saints.

Revelation 5:10: And hast made us [Israel] unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Therefore, the point I was making should have had more specific scriptures to succinctly demonstrate that if one were to scrutinize the Old Testament Scriptures in order to find any record that Jews had a hope of reigning above in an heavenly Jerusalem, that search will instead reveal that the Old Testament scriptures have clear promises that the nation Israel had their hopes and promises from God that are to be fulfilled in an earthly Jerusalem kingdom, not the heavenly Jerusalem kingdom where their physical bodies would reside. The nation Israel will serve in their physical bodies inside the earthly Jerusalem kingdom of God.

Deuteronomy 28:1: ...that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all the nations of the earth. 3: Blessed shall thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field. 4: Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy gound, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 5: Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

These are all earthly kingdom blessings, not heavenly kingdom blessings. Things like city, field, cattle, flocks clearly are earthly. And these things will belong in the future Kingdom of God on the earth, and Israel will manage it, so to speak, over and above all the nations of the earth.

In contrast today, the epistles teach us that both Jews and gentiles who believe in the faith of Christ, and upon believing, we are placed into the church, His Body, called the Body of Christ, and the scriptures demonstrate that our blessings are succinctly defined for the heavenly places!

Ephesians 1:3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 2:6: And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 3:20: For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Today, we are a part of what God is doing in the heavenly places, we are not be a part of what God has promised to do on the earth. Those promises of the Prophets pertain to Israel's calling in reference to the earthly Jerusalem kingdom.

Regarding the Kingdom

In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus instructed His disciples to pray for the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth. This kingdom was a kingdom in which Israel would be supreme among the nations (Deuteronomy 28.1, 13). Hundreds of verses speak of this kingdom in the Old Testament. One will search the Scriptures in vain to find any record that Jews had a hope of heaven. Their hope was wholly earthly.

Paul’s teaching on the kingdom of God bears little resemblance to the kingdom proclaimed by the prophets or by Jesus (Romans 14.17; 1 Corinthians 4.20, 6.9-10, 15.24, 50; Galatians 5.21; Ephesians 5.5; Colossians 1.13, 4.11; 1 Thessalonians 2.12; 2 Thessalonians 1.5; 2 Timothy 4.1, 18). The kingdom of the prophets and of Jesus was earthly. In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus called for the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth. Paul emphasized God’s heavenly kingdom. Right before his martyrdom Paul declared, [2 Timothy 4:18] And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Paul taught that members of the body of Christ, the Church (Ephesians 1.22-23; Colossians 1.18), i.e., Christians, had heavenly citizenship (Ephesians 1.3; Philippians 3.20) in God’s kingdom, not earthly citizenship. This was entirely different from God’s revelation prior to Paul.

Regarding Forgiveness

The second teaching from Paul which is different from the Lord’s Prayer is the matter of forgiveness. In the Lord’s Prayer, divine forgiveness was conditional. It depended upon human forgiveness. Some, in an attempt to homogenize the teachings of the Gospels with the teachings of Paul, argue that Jesus was talking about forgiveness of one believer for another not divine forgiveness. While it is true that believers are to forgive one another, this was not the point of Jesus’ teaching. Jesus stated God would forgive based upon human forgiveness. To ensure no one misunderstand Him, He restated His point in Matthew 6.14-15. He declared, Matthew 6:14: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Matthew 6:15: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Can Jesus's words be more plain? Conditional forgiveness is clearly in view here in Matthew 6.

Today there is no condemnation [Romans 8:1]. Today, nothing could be further from Christ's teaching regarding forgiveness than that of Paul’s teaching regarding forgiveness. God had Paul teach that there are no conditions that exist in order to receive God’s forgiveness: simply than than believing the gospel (1 Corinthians 15.1-4). Paul taught that when one believed the gospel then immediately that believer received God’s forgiveness of sins (Ephesians 1.7; Colossians 1.13-14, 2.13). Paul declared that believers "have" (ἔχομεν, present, active, indicative of ἔχω, "to have or hold") forgiveness of sins. For the believer of Paul’s gospel, forgiveness is a present possession, based, not upon forgiving other people, but upon believing upon the faith of Christ Jesus that His failfullness as expessed in the gospel is all sufficient and paid in full for the believer.

In Ephesians 4:32, Paul wrote, Ephesians 4:32: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. This is vastly different from what the Lord Jesus taught in His prayer to the Jewish disciples. Paul exhorted believers to forgive one another – not as a condition for divine forgiveness – but because Christ Jesus had (past tense) already forgiven us. This is how grace and truth works, rather than Law.

Take you Bible and follow this comparision of Forgiveness which the Word of God has established:

Biblical comparision of Forgiveness: Gospels and Today's Epistles
	Earthly Kingdom Program [Israel]: Conditional		Body of Christ Grace Program [Gentiles and Jews]: Not Conditional
Forgiveness with God	Acts 8:22: Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.		Colossians 2:13: And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
	Luke 6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven
	Matthew 18:35: So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.		Ephesians 1:7: In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace
	Matthew 6:14: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you
	Matthew 6:15: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.		Colossians 1:14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
Forgiveness with fellow man	Luke 17:3: Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.		Ephesians 4:32: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
			Colossians 3:13: Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.