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To: stisidore; All
It is NOT a question that these men are dead, for surely Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elijah, and all faithful men and women in the Old Testament are alive with the resurrected Christ. But on the issue to praying for the dead, or those alive with Christ, this is not a Biblical matter to pray to, for Christ, the Head of the Church, His Body, all believer-saints, have HIM as our mediator to pray directly to God the Father by means of the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus.

I Timothy 2:5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

There is no need, nor any impress upon Christ Jesus, if we continue to pray to the dead (or alive with Christ, as to the point you are making). Today, we pray only directly to God via the mediation of Christ Jesus. He is the LORD over those who are alive with Christ, so why must anyone pray to the lower when we already have the HIGHER, which is Christ Jesus, the one mediator between God and men. All believer-saints should abandon praying to the dead (or alive with Christ). It accomplishes nothing that prayers to Christ Jesus would accomplish.

4 posted on 08/18/2013 1:44:45 PM PDT by AmbassadorForChrist
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To: AmbassadorForChrist

If you avoid Christ’s instruction to pray together, then yes, your point makes sense. However, the principle of two or three praying together states that we can and should pray for each others’ needs.

If Christ instructed us to do so, He certainly knows what is best, and this means that we are to INTERCEDE, (i.e., pray) for one another.
This in no way negates Christ’s role but rather, we are the BODY OF CHRIST, so we pray for each other IN HIM — the head of the body. We are IN CHRIST.

“So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.” Romans 12:5

Whether you call someone on the phone to pray with you, or you are with brethren in person, you are still praying together. We pray for each others’ needs, and like providing food or medicine; this is an act of charity.

A husband can certainly pray for his wife, or a parents together ofor for a child. These are acts of love and protection. And love is stronger than death; it does not end with the grave.

Set me as a seal upon your heart,
as a seal upon your arm;
for love is stronger than death,
passion fiercer than the grave.

We are part of the communion of saints, and united with the God of the LIVING; Christ is the head, and we are all parts of that one body. One Body. The Church is one in the Lord, whether resurrected or still on earth working out one’s own salvation with fear and trembling.

Ephesians 4:25
Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body.

Your loved ones who may be deceased from this life and have been born into eternal life do not shuck off the memory or care that they have for you. “...being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. Phil 2:2-4

Most certainly, those you initially referred to as ‘dead people’ are not at all dead, they, like we, are members of the body of Christ. They love you, they love me, and they, being one in and with Christ, will pray for anyone who asks.


5 posted on 08/18/2013 7:24:04 PM PDT by stisidore (Another look)
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