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NY Archdiocese Priest: Jesus Did Not Understand Homosexuality
JosephSciambra.com ^ | May 10, 2018 | Joseph Sciambra

Posted on 05/11/2018 7:25:14 AM PDT by ebb tide

Fr. Michael K. Holleran, a Catholic priest, Sensei (Zen Teacher) and a former Carthusian Monk, is Parochial Vicar at the Church of Notre Dame in New York City.

According to his biography on the website for the New-Age Copper Beech Institute, Holleran was ordained as a Jesuit, then left the order after five years to join the Carthusians: “In 2009, he was formally received as a priest of the Archdiocese of New York and became a Sensei in the Zen tradition, at the hands of his longtime mentor, Roshi Robert Kennedy, S.J. He currently serves at Notre Dame Church in Morningside Heights, Manhattan and leads the Dragon’s Eye Zendo in midtown Manhattan.”

Referencing the Scripture reading: Romans 11:13-15, 29-32, during a 2014 homily, Holleran said:

The Jewish covenant was the natural olive tree and the gentiles have been grafted on, kinda stuck together…How is this gonna work? It doesn’t seem natural, it doesn’t seem right. He does use the phrase para phusis, which means not exactly against nature, but alongside nature, not what’s expected, not what’s supposed to work, not what’s supposed to be right. Bring in the gentiles…Interestingly, the same phrase, that I just pointed out, the very same phase, para phusis, he used in Chapter 1 talking about activity which today referring to homosexuality…against nature is too strong a translation. Its more like along side nature, not what we’d expect, not what’s customary, not what’s supposedly right. Is there a connection? Same phrase, by the same author, in the same letter. We should wake up to the fact that there are things we don’t understand. That’s gonna blow our minds, that are gonna bring us out of our comfort zone…supposedly contrary to what God said in the beginning…how are we not seeing these things? Well, I guess we’re not seeing them because maybe Jesus didn’t.

In 2017, Jesuit priest James Martin proposed that homosexuals are “differently ordered.”

During a lecture entitled: “Sodomites? Really?,” sponsored by the LGBT group at St. Paul’s the Apostle Church in New York City, on September 28, 2014, Holleran argued, among other things, that the Sodom and Gomorrah story had “nothing” to do with homosexuality, as, according to him “they must be understood in the context of their time.” With regards to the Church’s teachings on homosexuality, according to Holleran, they are built upon “shaky ground.” He said:

“…if a sincere gay person, for example, is struggling with his or her own inner discovery, then says let me look at Scripture – oh, it doesn’t say what they always said if you look at it from this point of view…then maybe my experience does have some validity…On the levels of truth that everything is infallible – This is on shaky ground according to the way it’s been presented to me and been presented over the centuries, then I actually have not only a right but a duty maybe to start questioning this. And to say maybe my experience – What Jesus is saying to me now! What the spirit is saying to the Churches now! …is something really important that we need to hear.”

He envisions change within the Church, like James Martin, through dialogue: “love shows itself in the ability to dialogue.” As an example, he pointed to a meeting between a Catholic Bishop and a “gay couple;” as he related the story, Fr. Holleran said that, afterwards, the Bishop remarked: “…how can we call people like that objectively disordered?” Holleran concluded: “what transforms hearts is when you really actually do hear people’s experience.” In his book “Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity,” James Martin said the same thing:

Many church leaders do not know L.G.B.T. people who are public about their sexuality. That lack of familiarity and friendship means it is more difficult to be sensitive. How can you be sensitive to a person’s situation if you don’t know them?

Holleran also described “The Holy Trinity” as an example of “an alternative lifestyle. During this same talk, Holleran mentioned how he discussed all of these issues with a confused same-sex attracted young man: “I had a young gay man, last year, who came to me for spiritual direction.” Holleran then described how he schooled him on just how wrong the Church is about homosexuality.

During a “Gay Spirituality” retreat held at St. Boniface Catholic Church in Brooklyn, Holleran claimed that “gay” men are more receptive to spirituality because they practice anal sex:

“…men hate church and spirituality because they have to sit still and they have to be receptive. There is nothing more threatening to a male than being receptive. I mean, think about it sexually – maybe that’s why gay men are more ready for it.”

He also said: “I don’t care what people say, I think Gay Pride Parade is wonderful; all those people dancing around with not many clothes on…it’s beautiful.”

Concerning the New York City Gay Pride Parade, in his Introduction to Fr. John Harvey’s book “The Truth About Homosexuality” (1996), Fr. Benedict Groeschel, C.F.R. made the following observation:

I recently viewed the Gay Pride Parade during a prayer vigil alongside St. Patrick’s Cathedral and saw an incredible display of self-defeating and self-deprecating behavior…when one considers the ruin of human lives, the persistent spread of AIDS by promiscuous sexual activity, and the psychological conflict one observes in the gay scene, the haunting question comes, “Can I approve of behavior that so frequently leads to destruction?”

In 2014, Holleran lead a discussion on John J. McNeill’s books “Taking a Chance on God,” for the St. Francis [de Sales] Gay Straight Catholic Alliance Book Club; in that particular work, McNeill proposed an all-inclusive type of Christian spirituality which meets the “special needs” of lesbians and gays; McNeill also stated that: “In all cultures and in every period of history, a certain percentage of men and women develop as gays and lesbians. These individuals could be considered as part of God’s creative plan. Their sexual orientation has no necessary connection with sin, sickness, or failure; rather, it is a gift from God to be accepted and lived out with gratitude. God does not despise anything that God has created.”

In the St Francis Xavier Church bulletin, appeared a blurb (May 8, 2016) advertising a course to be given by Holleran. The topic of Fr. Holleran’s presentation: Amoris Laetitia. During his talk, Holleran openly questioned Pope Francis’ statements regarding modern gender theory and homosexuality – Holleran said:

“We have to welcome gay people and accept them as they are and accept it’s not a changeable thing, it’s not a choice – the Church does say that.”

On June 8, 2017, during a Facebook Live James Martin said:

That’s the way God created you. I think almost every psychologist and biologist and scientist would agree on that; and certainly LGBT people will tell you that’s the way they always felt – that they had been created that way.

In 2016, Holleran offered a course on “How to Approach the Bible.” He said:

You absolutely can not go back to any text in the Hebrew Scriptures and say this is valid now, including all the stuff against gays or whatever it is. Because it’s not the way to read the Bible.

Again, James Martin says the same:

All these Bible passages that people throw at you; I think really need to be understood in their historical context. I mean Leviticus and Deuteronomy and even the stuff from the New Testament where Paul talks about it once or twice, has to be understood in their historical context…certainly in Old Testament times, they didn’t understand the phenomena of homosexuality and bisexuality as we do today.

From June 29th to July 1, 2018, Holleran will offer a retreat at the Copper Beech Institute entitled: Buddha & Christ: Their Life & Destiny. According to the description for the retreat:

Both Buddhism and Christianity begin with actual historical figures. Come and explore their lives and the fascinating points of comparison. Also, see how their followers treated the two in succeeding centuries, and how they might collaborate today to uplift the consciousness of humanity — and your own!

In 2009, Holleran took part in a Zen ceremony in which he “received Dharma Transmission as a Sensei in the White Plum Asanga of the Zen tradition” from Roshi Robert Kennedy, S.J. – Kennedy is a professor emeritus at Saint Peter’s University in New Jersey.

Please contact the Archdiocese of New York:

Cardinal Timothy Dolan Phone: 212-371-1000

1011 First Ave New York, NY 10022


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; homos; michaelholleran
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To: Telepathic Intruder
"Holleran claimed that “gay” men are more receptive to spirituality because they practice anal sex"

Well, demons ARE spiritual beings.

21 posted on 05/11/2018 10:22:59 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: stanne

So exactly where is this institution that doesn’t include people located and how does it function without people?


22 posted on 05/11/2018 10:25:34 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide
"The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine — but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight."

Sadly, this applies today even more than in Belloc's time.
23 posted on 05/11/2018 10:25:42 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: ebb tide

It’s like the clay piss pot telling the potter, “You don’t know much about pottery.”


24 posted on 05/11/2018 10:26:56 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: ebb tide

Comments removed by poster before JimRob removes it...


25 posted on 05/11/2018 11:10:16 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I am former RC too.

The ways in which the Catholic Church chooses to differ from the Bible are not so dangerous in themselves but they are dangerous because it makes a division between the church and the Bible, which can lead people to not trust the Bible completely and be a sort of cafeteria Bible reader.

I think this may be why so many Catholics do not believe Bible prophecy. Aside from the replacementarian error.


26 posted on 05/11/2018 11:30:03 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Antoninus

This reasoning is used by the Jews as well. “We’re still here!”


27 posted on 05/11/2018 11:32:06 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Telepathic Intruder
"Holleran claimed that “gay” men are more receptive to spirituality because they practice anal sex"

... because they'll sit still on anything ...

28 posted on 05/11/2018 11:32:28 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Come Hell or High Water - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQNUp9rgjNs&feature=youtu.be)
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To: ebb tide

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So, the short bus delivers to Catholic seminaries?
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29 posted on 05/11/2018 11:33:43 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BlueLancer

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>> “because they’ll sit still on anything” <<

Just how do you know this ??? :o)
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30 posted on 05/11/2018 11:35:26 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Antoninus

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To whom does such obvious illogic apply?
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31 posted on 05/11/2018 11:37:13 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ebb tide

Ya’ll. Are. Falling. Apart.


32 posted on 05/11/2018 12:02:27 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Engedi

Pretty much describes a petulant god who condemns his own creations.


33 posted on 05/11/2018 12:57:38 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: metmom

Your comment; “And the Roman church continues to let known homosexuals be priests and administer sacraments all the while claiming they condemn homosexuality.

What hypocrisy!”

So this is a greater sin than adultery?

Yes, the Catholic church has sinners as members and priests, and the mission of the Church is to lead them to Heaven with Jesus.

Is it always successful? Probably not. I believe that the Catholic church is successful in leading many to eternal life with Jesus by providing the Truth to the faithful. One man or one priest’s sins do not change the teaching of Jesus or His Church.

Let’s condemn all sins and help all by teaching the Truth.


34 posted on 05/11/2018 12:58:59 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: Antoninus; boatbums; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; Roman_War_Criminal; Luircin; Mom MD; Elsie; ...
"The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine — but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight."

And we're supposed to accept the idea that Roman Catholicism is Christ's church here on earth and that what we see is someone's idea of God protecting His church as He promised?

You know, in Scripture, the Bible that Catholics claim their church gave the world, there is a list of the qualifications for church leadership.

Why is Roman Catholicism not following its own advice?

QUALIFICATIONS FOR DEACION AND ELDER

1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.

1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

That precludes taking communion with someone like that.

2 John 1:4-11 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Galatians 5:19-24 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

One would be tempted to ask *Are you guys serious about that claim?* but the only thing serious about the whole concept is how deluded you are into thinking that Catholicism is the example of the body of Christ on the earth.

35 posted on 05/11/2018 1:07:46 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM

Evasion and deflection does not change what I said.

Roman Catholicism does not practice what it preaches. That is called *hypocrisy*.

Their actions show what they truly believe. The words are merely lip service so they can go around and finger point and look down their noses at others while they try to claim the high moral ground.

I have personally known some Evangelical pastors who committed adultery and they were IMMEDIATELY removed from the pulpit and their credentials were yanked. I know that in those churches as well, that members who live in adulterous relationships are either not allowed to become members or have their membership revoked.

Church discipline IS practiced in the Evangelical churches I’ve attended.


36 posted on 05/11/2018 1:14:00 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

With some exceptions, the Catholic church does not kick out sinners. Yes, some priests are removed from ministry.

The Catholic Church is clear on its teachings. Yes some stray and they are not always corrected. They should be. Again sinners and their actions do not represent the teachings of the Church, even if they are priests.

The Church is full of saints and sinners and in spite of all it’s human weaknesses the Catholic Church is Holy. It is a long journey to Heaven and we need to help all understand the Truth. You are always welcome to come back to the Mass and the Sacraments.


37 posted on 05/11/2018 2:06:12 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: metmom
It's not entirely hypocrisy. It's more infidelity.

Hypocrisy is pretending to a virtue you neither possess nor aspire to. These men are not pretending to virtue: they are not claiming they are chaste, for instance. They are saying chastity is bunk.

The priests you reference are anti-Catholics within the Catholic church.

The whole world would be better off if the Catholics were Catholic, and the others would leave.

38 posted on 05/11/2018 2:13:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.)
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To: ADSUM; metmom
So this is a greater sin than adultery?

Yes, the Catholic church has sinners as members and priests, and the mission of the Church is to lead them to Heaven with Jesus.

Is it always successful? Probably not. I believe that the Catholic church is successful in leading many to eternal life with Jesus by providing the Truth to the faithful. One man or one priest’s sins do not change the teaching of Jesus or His Church.

Yet your church teaches one cannot know they have eternal life in contrast to what is revealed in Scripture.

Let’s condemn all sins and help all by teaching the Truth.

Welcome to the New Testament belief that ALL sin is to be condemned.

39 posted on 05/11/2018 3:10:58 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM; metmom
With some exceptions, the Catholic church does not kick out sinners. Yes, some priests are removed from ministry.

The problem though is it seems that Rome isn't kicking anyone out in leadership.

If the leadership is in error the rest will be in error.

The Church is full of saints and sinners and in spite of all it’s human weaknesses the Catholic Church is Holy. It is a long journey to Heaven and we need to help all understand the Truth. You are always welcome to come back to the Mass and the Sacraments.

The Roman Catholic Church is not Holy. God is Holy, but not a denomination.

When a person is in error/sin in an Evangelical church we invite the person to return to Jesus.

40 posted on 05/11/2018 3:14:19 PM PDT by ealgeone
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