Posted on 05/11/2018 7:25:14 AM PDT by ebb tide
Well, demons ARE spiritual beings.
So exactly where is this institution that doesn’t include people located and how does it function without people?
It’s like the clay piss pot telling the potter, “You don’t know much about pottery.”
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I am former RC too.
The ways in which the Catholic Church chooses to differ from the Bible are not so dangerous in themselves but they are dangerous because it makes a division between the church and the Bible, which can lead people to not trust the Bible completely and be a sort of cafeteria Bible reader.
I think this may be why so many Catholics do not believe Bible prophecy. Aside from the replacementarian error.
This reasoning is used by the Jews as well. “We’re still here!”
... because they'll sit still on anything ...
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So, the short bus delivers to Catholic seminaries?
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>> “because they’ll sit still on anything” <<
Just how do you know this ??? :o)
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To whom does such obvious illogic apply?
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Ya’ll. Are. Falling. Apart.
Pretty much describes a petulant god who condemns his own creations.
Your comment; “And the Roman church continues to let known homosexuals be priests and administer sacraments all the while claiming they condemn homosexuality.
What hypocrisy!”
So this is a greater sin than adultery?
Yes, the Catholic church has sinners as members and priests, and the mission of the Church is to lead them to Heaven with Jesus.
Is it always successful? Probably not. I believe that the Catholic church is successful in leading many to eternal life with Jesus by providing the Truth to the faithful. One man or one priest’s sins do not change the teaching of Jesus or His Church.
Let’s condemn all sins and help all by teaching the Truth.
And we're supposed to accept the idea that Roman Catholicism is Christ's church here on earth and that what we see is someone's idea of God protecting His church as He promised?
You know, in Scripture, the Bible that Catholics claim their church gave the world, there is a list of the qualifications for church leadership.
Why is Roman Catholicism not following its own advice?
QUALIFICATIONS FOR DEACION AND ELDER
1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
That precludes taking communion with someone like that.
2 John 1:4-11 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Galatians 5:19-24 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
One would be tempted to ask *Are you guys serious about that claim?* but the only thing serious about the whole concept is how deluded you are into thinking that Catholicism is the example of the body of Christ on the earth.
Evasion and deflection does not change what I said.
Roman Catholicism does not practice what it preaches. That is called *hypocrisy*.
Their actions show what they truly believe. The words are merely lip service so they can go around and finger point and look down their noses at others while they try to claim the high moral ground.
I have personally known some Evangelical pastors who committed adultery and they were IMMEDIATELY removed from the pulpit and their credentials were yanked. I know that in those churches as well, that members who live in adulterous relationships are either not allowed to become members or have their membership revoked.
Church discipline IS practiced in the Evangelical churches I’ve attended.
With some exceptions, the Catholic church does not kick out sinners. Yes, some priests are removed from ministry.
The Catholic Church is clear on its teachings. Yes some stray and they are not always corrected. They should be. Again sinners and their actions do not represent the teachings of the Church, even if they are priests.
The Church is full of saints and sinners and in spite of all it’s human weaknesses the Catholic Church is Holy. It is a long journey to Heaven and we need to help all understand the Truth. You are always welcome to come back to the Mass and the Sacraments.
Hypocrisy is pretending to a virtue you neither possess nor aspire to. These men are not pretending to virtue: they are not claiming they are chaste, for instance. They are saying chastity is bunk.
The priests you reference are anti-Catholics within the Catholic church.
The whole world would be better off if the Catholics were Catholic, and the others would leave.
Yes, the Catholic church has sinners as members and priests, and the mission of the Church is to lead them to Heaven with Jesus.
Is it always successful? Probably not. I believe that the Catholic church is successful in leading many to eternal life with Jesus by providing the Truth to the faithful. One man or one priest’s sins do not change the teaching of Jesus or His Church.
Yet your church teaches one cannot know they have eternal life in contrast to what is revealed in Scripture.
Let’s condemn all sins and help all by teaching the Truth.
Welcome to the New Testament belief that ALL sin is to be condemned.
The problem though is it seems that Rome isn't kicking anyone out in leadership.
If the leadership is in error the rest will be in error.
The Church is full of saints and sinners and in spite of all it’s human weaknesses the Catholic Church is Holy. It is a long journey to Heaven and we need to help all understand the Truth. You are always welcome to come back to the Mass and the Sacraments.
The Roman Catholic Church is not Holy. God is Holy, but not a denomination.
When a person is in error/sin in an Evangelical church we invite the person to return to Jesus.
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