Where does a pastor get his authority?

Running Away From My Church Blog ^ | 1/7/2018 | Robert Messner

[tiredofallofit]

But that chain of authority is often not so clear in the church world, especially amongst non-denominational evangelicals. If a man or woman steps up behind a pulpit and speaks to us authoritatively on matters of theology, why do we automatically accept this authority? Is it because we like what we hear? Or do we validate the authority because the pastor’s interpretation of the Bible jives with our own understanding? But who are we to even make that judgement? Why is our interpretation of the Bible any better than the person sitting next to us on the pew? And if we disagree with an aspect of the pastor’s views, do we have a right to question him? Or do we have to accept what he says because we have already consented to his authority?

[af_vet_1981]

It is a hard saying. It is not just Rome that believed Him. It is all the churches of the one holy catholic apostolic church, including the Orthodox.

Protestantism, or AntiCatholicism, is a relatively new religious movement that was an attempt to re-form, re-create, or re-construct Christianity without apostolic authority. It makes no sense to build a house on that foundation. Protestantism did not agree within its streams about the Bread and Wine.

One does not inherit the kingdom of God by being antiCatholic.

Hear the word. Keep it. Bring forth fruit with patience.

[Zuriel]

Jesus said, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved....”

Doesn’t your church sprinkle or pour? Chapter and verse please?

Can an infant profess faith? Chapter and verse please?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[ealgeone]

No, the early church didn’t believe uniformity. The ECFs Rome relies upon so heavily are divided on the understanding. However, the context I posted is correct. We come to Christ through faith. When we participate in the Lord’s Supper we do so in remembrance of Him.

[af_vet_1981]

The error of projection; going from them to I to we ...

It is not just the church at Rome. It is all the churches of the one holy catholic apostolic Church. The modernists have even abandoned the original Protestants, who did not even agree with each other with respect to the Body and Blood of the Messiah.

There is a difference between genuine and reproduction.

[GingisK]

Oh, been to a Lutheran voter’s meeting, haven’t you? ;-D

[ealgeone]

Again, the ECFs are not in agreement. Keep saying it all you want but we come to Him through faith. Not eating/drinking His flesh and blood. The context of the NT is against the Romam Catholic position on this, and other, issues.

[Salvation]

Philippians 2
9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[Salvation]

**Actually, Rome advances the mistaken belief it is Mary who summons the individual...without Mary...no salvation. A totally unscriptural position.**

Where, pray tell, did you get that idea?

Totally false.

God call everyone, but only a few are chosen.

[ealgeone]

I agree.

Except Rome teaches and sanctions bowing before idols of Mary in contradiction of revealed and inspired Scripture.

[narses]

“Actually, Rome advances the mistaken belief it is Mary who summons the individual...without Mary...no salvation. A totally {sic} unscriptural position.”

A lie. But you knew that, right?

[ealgeone]

I quoted from a Romam Catholic Doctor.

[infool7]

The Doctrines and Dogmas of the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus are readily available on the interwebs for anyone to study. I have found the claims of its Fathers, Doctors, Saints and Martyrs to be trustworthy and reliable.

You are free to believe whatever flattering knotions any street preacher can cobble together that scratches your itching ears but you do so at your own peril.

[Zuriel]

Mark 16:16 really isn’t cobbled up, itching ears material, imo.

[BipolarBob]

My Bible says Jesus and the Disciples were born Jews (not Catholic), lived as Jews (not Catholic) and died as Jews.
John 4:22 says "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews."
Nothing Catholic there. And Judaism predates Catholicism by centuries if anybody is counting.

[infool7]

You’re not making any sense, at least to me. What is it you want people to believe, that they should become pseudo-Jewish? Because of two lines from scripture?

Fathers, Doctors, Saints, Martyrs? Official Codified Dogma? How about a snappy mission statement. Got any of those? Then maybe we can talk.

[DariusBane]

How about the Papal heresies? Yah know, that joker ee got today in the funny hat is not the first Vicar of Christ to be a perpetrator of heresy. He won’t be the last. So from whence comes the authority of Francis, The Vicar of Christ?

[mrobisr]

“Why is our interpretation of the Bible any better than the person sitting next to us on the pew?”

Me personally having the gift of teaching I don’t think my interpretation is better for the most part, but I do know that because of my gift I tend to dig way deeper into Scripture, history, and Jewish tradition than people with the other gifts. I do know that my gift allows me to put the Scripture into simpler terms. Terms that resemble every day life of a believer today and that isn’t from me saying it, but from others.

The authority it comes from the fact that each and every believer has been given a gift and if that gift is teaching then the Holy Spirit has given you that authority. The teaching position is the only position that comes with a word of caution, so buyer beware if you are not totally sure of that position.

James 3:1
3 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a [a]stricter judgment.

Footnotes:
James 3:1 Or greater condemnation

[BipolarBob]

You’re not making any sense, at least to me. What is it you want people to believe

I want them to believe the Bible. I want them to practice as the first century Church. Emulate Christ as close as possible. I understand that is a shock but you asked.

[Ambrosia]

There is basic structure in all churches, if only Pastor, Elders, ushers etd, and of course in Spirit filled churches...the Holy Spirit is welcome to change the course of worship whenever he desires...being open to a move of God.