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To: Zuriel

The Doctrines and Dogmas of the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus are readily available on the interwebs for anyone to study. I have found the claims of its Fathers, Doctors, Saints and Martyrs to be trustworthy and reliable.

You are free to believe whatever flattering knotions any street preacher can cobble together that scratches your itching ears but you do so at your own peril.


173 posted on 01/07/2018 8:30:51 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: infool7

Mark 16:16 really isn’t cobbled up, itching ears material, imo.


174 posted on 01/07/2018 8:38:40 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: infool7
My Bible says Jesus and the Disciples were born Jews (not Catholic), lived as Jews (not Catholic) and died as Jews.
John 4:22 says "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews."
Nothing Catholic there. And Judaism predates Catholicism by centuries if anybody is counting.
175 posted on 01/07/2018 8:39:55 PM PST by BipolarBob (At one time I held the world record as the worlds youngest person on the planet.)
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To: infool7; Zuriel
This coming from a Catholic whose church invents *sacred tradition* to supplant Scripture when it can't find material in the Scripture that Catholics claim their church wrote to support their weird doctrines about stuff like the immaculate conception, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, etc.......

Who ignore the clear concise teachings of Jesus to continue to call their priests *father*......

Matthew 23: 8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

Who ignore the Holy spirit's commands regarding church leadership and how they MUST be married men, to have a celibate priesthood.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.

187 posted on 01/07/2018 11:56:31 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: infool7

“I have found the claims of its Fathers, Doctors, Saints and Martyrs to be trustworthy and reliable.

How are they trustworthy and reliable are “claims” when they contradict each other, as the very often do??

Why did you leave out the one source of Holy Spirit inspired truth that the Savior relied on and found trustworthy??


250 posted on 01/08/2018 7:07:44 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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