Any Version, Except King James, Bible Discussion

Self | 4/8/2017 | madison10

[madison10]

The King James Version was the Bible I memorized as a child, but as an adult I find it unreadable for anything EXCEPT the passages I already know.

[Jonty30]

The Jews didn’t recognize their Messiah, so there’s that.

I never claimed the Jews failed to preserve their Scriptures, so my comments should not be interpreted like that. I only said that the CC preserved the Scriptures, which they did. Whatever failings the CC might have, it did make the Bible available to all, which the Jews had no such intent.

[rcofdayton]

There is an earlier Catholic translation of the Bible called Dhouay-Reims. But that is as difficult to read as the KJV. Anybody here like the RSV?

[RegulatorCountry]

While I realize it’s become unpopular to observe this, the Catholic Church did not make the Bible available to all. That took Protestants, and early ones died bringing the Bible to the people.

[BlueDragon]

You didn't say that in Latin, so it how could it be official? ;)

In the Complutensian Polyglot, the Latin was put in the middle column, with Greek and Hebrew set to either side.

Latins of the day (whoever wrote the Preface) likened those to be two thieves with the Holy One being in the middle.

Under the concept of one screw-up wiping out ten attaboy's -- the world owes the Latin Church precisely nothing for having 'preserved' Scripture, though there are exceptions to this for individuals here and there among them who did labor to preserve what they could. God will reward those whom He sees fit to reward, in this.

Inventions such as papacy are most certainly not justified by the text -- so there goes the "being doers of the word" thingy, right out the window! ---for the prelates of the Latin Church, anyway. If there was no Grace, none could be saved. Period.

So much for relying upon one's own works for justification, eh?

[Jonty30]

You’re right on that. I didn’t mean to intend that the CC had intended to make available the Word of God to the common man. I only meant it, in the sense, that their preserving the Bible in the original languages made it possible for rogue Catholics or Christians to disseminate the Word to the common people.

If the CC had not done that, there might not have been Scriptures to disseminate.

[Lee N. Field]

"ESVO"

(practically. Maybe next read through I'll use NASB, if I can find one that's single column, paragraphed, minimalist. (See the ESV Reader's Bible for an example of what I mean).)

[RegulatorCountry]

OK, we’re closer to agreement, then. I myself would credit preservation of Christian scripture to the Irish Church, which to me was a separated entity in the Dark Ages. Catholics do not view it in this manner.

[freepertoo]

I loved the living bible that came out in the 70s, the green one. Can’t find it any longer, but I wore out several of them.

[af_vet_1981]

So much for relying upon one's own works for justification, eh?

Do whatever He tells you.

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty five, Protestant verses fourteen to thirty, ,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Flaming Conservative]

I use Bible Hub, so I can compare versions. I like to go to Strong’s, to find out exactly what words mean. I have an Interlinear Bible, that gives the literal translation, and includes the corresponding Strong’s Concordance numbers, so I can look up word meanings. As far as the King James, for the most part, it is fairly literal, but that doesn’t account for the many sayings that aren’t, such as the “eye of the needle” wording. But for beauty, it’s the King James.

[ravenwolf]

I know quite a few people who went to the living Bible but after they really started understanding the whole concept they threw it away and went back to the KJV or Douay Rheims.

[RegulatorCountry]

If that’s the Tyndale House “thought for thought” translation, it’s widely available online, at ChristianBooks.com among several others.

[RBStealth]

can you imagine quoting the bible using thee’s, thines, thou’s and art’s
while evangelizing to a 20, 30 something pagan/atheist.

your starting off on the wrong foot.

[clee1]

I enjoy the KJV, but find myself checking my understanding with the NASB

[georgiegirl]

Here’s a link to the Dead Sea Scrolls English Translation I’ve been reading. It’s by no means complete, but interesting to read alongside any other version:

https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls-Bible-Translated/dp/0060600640?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=0060600640

[BlueDragon]

Do whatever He tells you.

Have you ever heard Him tell you directly -- anything? I have.

As for doing whatever He tells me, that's between Him and I, at this point, and YOU are most certainly NOT Him. Got that? However, if you have some personal testimony and witness to share, then share that.

While I'm at it, there are plenty of folks who like to ~think~ they've "been told" by Him to do any number of things -- which He did not tell them to do at all. Often people have read into, have superimposed messages onto the written Word that are simply not there (and are even refuted in wider contexts of Scripture). I don't take orders from those kind, if I can help doing so.

As for the rest; sorry, I simply won't wade through royal blue font, even though it's been darkened up through use of 'bold' htm coding.

If you are going to throw large passages of Scripture at people on this forum, prior to weaponization of it, do a little work, as in supplying explanatory intro towards how you desire whatever it is you are citing should apply in context of the conversation.

Or keep throwing out-of-context chunks of Scripture at people--driving away untold numbers of people from whatever else it is you may have that could be worthwhile (and of Him) provided there is any truly from Him which you have.

Misapplications, and vain usages of His word, or not "of" Him. That kind of stuff is coming from somewhere else.

[RBStealth]

“I loved the living bible that came out in the 70s, the green one. Can’t find it any longer, but I wore out several of them.”

the green one came out in the 60’s and was the NWT.
the Jehovahs Witnesses New World Translation.

NWT where there is no trinity, and Jesus was an angel

[duckman]

Hard for me to follow the KJV. I finally purchased a NASB Life Principles Bible thru Dr. Charles Stanley. Very easy to understand,IMO. Also Dr.Stanley describes Life Principles throughout the Bible.

[RBStealth]

In case people dont know it, the Catholic versions NAB and NABRE(revised edition) are wholly similar to the NIV. You can switch between the two and it would be smooth or almost not noticeable.

Now the Catholic Bible NAB/RE does have problems as does the NIV.

[vladimir998]

“There is an earlier Catholic translation of the Bible called Dhouay-Reims.”

Well, Douay-Rheims, yes. I have multiple editions of the DRV - including the first (at least in facsimile) and last ones produced.

“But that is as difficult to read as the KJV. Anybody here like the RSV?”

I like the RSV. Being Catholic I am partial to the RSV/CE. One of the best Bibles in English a Christian can buy is this one: https://www.christianbook.com/oxford-annotated-apocrypha-expanded-edition-hardcover/9780195283488/pd/8900?event=ESRCG It has all the Biblical books, and excellent, concise notes. It’s a real treasure. The leather bound version is beautifully made: https://www.christianbook.com/oxford-annotated-apocrypha-genuine-leather-black/9780195283358/pd/8335X?event=ESRCG#CBD-PD-Description The leather version apparently is not the “expanded” version, but is still very worthwhile. Top notch production.

The only RSV that will surpass those will be the Ignatius Study Bible, which, sadly, is not fully finished.
The New Testament is completely done and available in a single volume.
The Old Testament is only partially published in a handful of booklets.
https://www.ignatius.com/promotions/catholic-study-bible/