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To: RegulatorCountry

The Jews didn’t recognize their Messiah, so there’s that.

I never claimed the Jews failed to preserve their Scriptures, so my comments should not be interpreted like that. I only said that the CC preserved the Scriptures, which they did. Whatever failings the CC might have, it did make the Bible available to all, which the Jews had no such intent.


41 posted on 04/08/2017 10:35:48 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

While I realize it’s become unpopular to observe this, the Catholic Church did not make the Bible available to all. That took Protestants, and early ones died bringing the Bible to the people.


43 posted on 04/08/2017 10:43:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Whatever failings the CC might have, it did make the Bible available to all, which the Jews had no such intent.

It did NOT until others forced the issue.

Once Scripture came widely available to the general public through translators like Luther, Wycliff, Tyndale, and Hus, most of whom were persecuted by the Catholic church for putting the Bible in the hands of the laity, THEN the Catholic church made it available to all.

The biggest claim it can honestly make is that as far as we know, it didn't outright destroy the Greek manuscripts it was in possession of.

Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture

COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon:

“No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.” (-D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.)

70 posted on 04/08/2017 2:27:24 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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