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Diocese of Rome’s new guidelines allow Communion for sexually active cohabitating couples in ‘limite
LifeSiteNews ^ | October 5, 2016 | Claire Chretien

Posted on 10/09/2016 1:12:34 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod

ROME, October 5, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – New guidelines about the interpretation of Amoris Laetitia issued for the pope’s own diocese of Rome suggest that couples living in a state the Church labels objectively sinful may in limited circumstances receive Holy Communion in a "discreet manner." The release of the new guidelines follows closely on the Vatican’s authentication of a letter from Pope Francis to Argentine bishops affirming that the only valid interpretation of the exhortation is one that similarly liberalizes sacramental practice.

The vicar of the Diocese of Rome, Cardinal Agostino Vallini, publicized the official diocesan guidelines for the implementation of Amoris Laetitia last month. Pope Francis is the bishop of the Diocese of Rome. According to veteran Vatican journalist Sandro Magister, “it is unthinkable that the cardinal vicar…made these guidelines official without the supreme proprietor of the diocese having first read and approved them.”

The Diocese of Rome’s guidelines suggest that unmarried couples living together and engaging in a sexual relationship may receive the Sacraments without repenting if continence makes the “stability” of their relationship “difficult,” and after a period of discernment with their confessor. Such couples only may be admitted to the Sacraments if “there is the moral certainty that the first marriage [of one of the parties] was null but there are not the proofs to demonstrate this in a judicial setting.” However, they may not receive the Sacraments if their sinful relationship is "shown off as if it were part of the Christian ideal,” according to the guidelines. 

The guidelines state:

This is not necessarily a matter of arriving at the sacraments, but of orienting them to live forms of integration in ecclesial life. But when the concrete circumstances of a couple make it feasible, meaning when their journey of faith has been long, sincere, and progressive, it is proposed that they live in continence; if this decision is difficult to practice for the stability of the couple, ‘Amoris Laetitia’ does not rule out the possibility of accessing penance and the Eucharist. This means a certain openness, as in the case in which there is the moral certainty that the first marriage was null but there are not the proofs to demonstrate this in a judicial setting; but not however in the case in which, for example, their condition is shown off as if it were part of the Christian ideal, etc.

The guidelines also state that the decision to permit a couple to the Sacraments should be taken by a confessor in the context of the "internal forum." Through discussions with a couple's confessor "over time ... it is possible to begin and develop with him an itinerary of long, patient conversion, made of small steps and of progressive verifications," read the guidelines.

“So it can be none other than the confessor, at a certain point, in his conscience, after much reflection and prayer, who must assume the responsibility before God and the penitent and ask that the access take place in a discreet manner.

It is possible to interpret Amoris Laetitia this way, explained Dr. Josef Seifert, an Austrian Catholic philosopher, member of the Pontifical Academy for Life, and close friend of the late Pope St. John Paul II, in an in-depth analysis of the exhortation. However, Seifert said that such an interpretation goes against the Council of Trent, when the Church authoritatively taught that people cannot determine for themselves that their marriage is invalid.

“It must not be left to the conscience of the individual to judge whether or not his marriage was valid, and also not to the judgment of a single priest, because to judge … the existence of a Sacrament requires a careful investigation and that’s [exactly] the task of Church tribunals and therefore one simply cannot … in conscience say, I was not married and now I marry again,” said Seifert.

Father John Zuhlsdorf, who runs a popular Catholic blog, reacted to the Diocese of Rome’s new guidelines by writing that unless an unmarried, sexually active couple intends to live as brother and sister, then their reception of Holy Communion would be a mortal sin and sacrilege. 

“That ‘this decision is difficult to practice’ means that the couple who are not married are still having adulterous sexual relations,” he wrote. “That ‘for the stability of the couple’ must mean that without sexual relations they are not a ‘couple’, and that it is, for one reason or another, important that they (who aren’t married) stay together and have sex together. No?”

“However….If they have entered into a process with a priest who has helped them to see what their situation is according to the teaching of Christ and His Church, then they know that what they are doing is wrong,” Zuhlsdorf continued. “They know that they have committed a mortal sin.  They know that they are not properly disposed to receive. Wouldn’t that be part of what the priest must help them to understand?”

“I cannot see anyway around this,” wrote Zuhlsdorf. “It must be either one way or the other. It is either 1) that they say that they will not live in continence as brother and sister, or 2) they say that they will try to live in continence as brother and sister. If they say they won’t, and they don’t, they cannot be admitted to Communion. They must not approach to receive Communion. That would be a mortal sin and a sacrilege. If, on the other hand, they say that they will try, really try, if they confess their sins and really intend to live in continence, they probably can be admitted to Communion – remoto scandalo – provided that scandal is avoided.”

Rome Diocese’s interpretation ‘too restrictive’?

Many other Catholic intellectuals and even prelates have echoed Seifert’s concerns about the exhortation.

Professor Robert Spaemann, a German philosopher and close friend of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, called Amoris Laetitia a clear “breach” with Catholic tradition.

Forty-five scholars sent each member of the College of Cardinals a letter asking them to ask Pope Francis to condemn heretical interpretations of the exhortation. In their letter to cardinals, they outlined the document’s seeming contradictions with Catholic teaching on morality, sin, hell, and other matters related to theology.

The scholars wrote that two heretical interpretations of Amoris Laetitia are:

Our Lord Jesus Christ wills that the Church abandon her perennial discipline of refusing the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried and of refusing absolution to the divorced and remarried who do not express contrition for their state of life and a firm purpose of amendment with regard to it.

Absence of grave fault due to diminished responsibility can permit admission to the Eucharist in the cases of divorced and civilly remarried persons who do not separate, nor undertake to live in perfect continence, but remain in an objective state of adultery and bigamy.

Cardinal Carlo Caffarra, archbishop emeritus of Bologna and a former member of the Pontifical Council for the Family, said that bishops’ varying interpretations of Amoris Laetitia demonstrate that it is “objectively unclear.” He also told Catholics to always follow what the Catechism says about marriage - that it is an indissoluble, lifelong bond - even if a cardinal tells them otherwise.

In 1981, Pope St. John Paul II wrote in his exhortation Familiaris Consortio:

…the Church reaffirms her practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried. They are unable to be admitted thereto from the fact that their state and condition of life objectively contradict that union of love between Christ and the Church which is signified and effected by the Eucharist. Besides this, there is another special pastoral reason: if these people were admitted to the Eucharist, the faithful would be led into error and confusion regarding the Church's teaching about the indissolubility of marriage.

Reconciliation in the sacrament of Penance which would open the way to the Eucharist, can only be granted to those who, repenting of having broken the sign of the Covenant and of fidelity to Christ, are sincerely ready to undertake a way of life that is no longer in contradiction to the indissolubility of marriage. This means, in practice, that when, for serious reasons, such as for example the children's upbringing, a man and a woman cannot satisfy the obligation to separate, they ‘take on themselves the duty to live in complete continence, that is, by abstinence from the acts proper to married couples.’

Pope Francis “is not saying that [the divorced and remarried] must be admitted to the sacraments, although he does not exclude this in some cases and under some conditions,” according to Vallini. The guidelines call for “discernment that would distinguish adequately case by case. Who can decide? From the tenor of the text and from the ‘mens’ of its Author it does not seem to me that there could be any solution other than that of the internal forum.”

Magister labeled this notion – that an unmarried, sexually active couple can under limited circumstances receive the Sacraments if abstinence is too “difficult” for them – an “innovation introduced by Pope Francis.”

According to Magister, “some priests of the diocese of Rome have complained that [the new guidelines] are ‘too restrictive.’”

He noted that although Pope Francis apparently approved the “limited” Rome guidelines, the pontiff also wrote to the bishops of Buenos Aires that there “no other interpretation” of Amoris Laetitia than one that allows remarried divorcees to receive Communion in some cases. The Vatican subsequently confirmed the letter as authentic.

This means “that for Pope Francis, the interpretation of ‘Amoris Laetitia’ presented by Cardinal Vallini with all the trappings of official status is the minimum threshold below which one cannot descend without betraying his intentions,” Magister argued.

Magister argues that in the mind of Pope Francis, the only acceptable interpretation of Amoris Laetitia that is close to - but not in line with - what the Church has always taught is Vallini’s. But, he says, Pope Francis intends for the normal interpretation to be the much more liberal one of the Buenos Aires archdiocese, which contradicts the Church’s divinely received tradition.


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To: Rashputin

You are making an analogy between a fish and the Church.

The fact that you think that the laity are to blame is ass-backwards.

But it does give the hierarchy another pass. So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.


21 posted on 10/09/2016 7:25:18 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Rashputin

Never said there weren’t hierarchy to blame before Vatican II. Vatican II didn’t happen overnight.

Cardinal Gibbons...is still a....cardinal (ie. hierarchy not laity).


22 posted on 10/09/2016 7:26:53 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: BlessedBeGod

The Church needs an unmarked side window.


23 posted on 10/09/2016 7:27:05 AM PDT by Does so (Vote for Hillary...Stay Home...==8-O)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Father John Zuhlsdorf, who runs a popular Catholic blog, reacted to the Diocese of Rome’s new guidelines by writing that unless an unmarried, sexually active couple intends to live as brother and sister, then their reception of Holy Communion would be a mortal sin and sacrilege. 


24 posted on 10/09/2016 7:30:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv
Giving the hierarchy a pass?

My, you are so good at Alynsky tactics.

25 posted on 10/09/2016 7:33:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Beliving St. John Paul II.

**In 1981, Pope St. John Paul II wrote in his exhortation Familiaris Consortio:

…the Church reaffirms her practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried. They are unable to be admitted thereto from the fact that their state and condition of life objectively contradict that union of love between Christ and the Church which is signified and effected by the Eucharist. Besides this, there is another special pastoral reason: if these people were admitted to the Eucharist, the faithful would be led into error and confusion regarding the Church’s teaching about the indissolubility of marriage.**


26 posted on 10/09/2016 7:34:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Rashputin

Aren’t you? If I am misinterpreting please do explain. You seem to be laying all the blame at the laity’s feet.


27 posted on 10/09/2016 7:39:07 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Rashputin
According to Catholic Encyclopedia regarding Pope Leo's letter, Testem Benevolentiae:

This Letter put an end to a bitter controversy which had been agitated for nearly ten years, particularly in the Catholic press. In expressing their adhesion to the Holy See and their unqualified acceptance of the teachings set forth in the Letter,the bishops of the United States made it clear that whatever departures from the same might have occurred in this country they had not been either widespread or systematic as they had been made to appear by the interpretation put upon the "Life of Father Hecker" in the preface to the French translation.

It looks like the focus was the bishops at that time, but that Pope Leo's concerns were put to rest.

28 posted on 10/09/2016 7:50:50 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: BlessedBeGod

So long as their faith is “progressive?????” Frankie the Apostate strikes again!


29 posted on 10/09/2016 9:42:43 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Also, Frankie continues to stack the College of Cardinals with additional apostates: Archbishop Blase Cupich of Chicago and Archbishop Joseph Tobin of Indianapolis (both for no discernible reason other than apostasy) are among 13 new voting cardinals to be appointed at a November 19 consistory.

In addition to reflecting Frankie's preference for apostasy, Tobin is also a cheerleader for the Islamofascist horde to overrun Indiana and has publicly clashed with Mike Pence over the matter which is in the jurisdiction of secular authority. An archbishop, regarding himself as "liberal" and, no doubt, as a "champion of the working man" climbs on board the cheap labor express to welcome ISIS to Indiana.

Archbishop Chaput of Philadelphia is passed over for the red hat AGAIN simply because he IS a Catholic. Likewise, Archbishop Gomez of Los Angeles who, as an actual Catholic, silenced his scandalous predecessor, Roger Cardinal Limp Wrist McPhony, for his shameful role in the sex scandals of the Los Angeles Archdiocese.

30 posted on 10/09/2016 10:04:59 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: piusv; steve86
Pius V:

What have Marvelous Excommunicated Marcel LeFebvre, SSPXers, and sedevacantists been doing? ANSWER: They have been busy trying to wreck the Church altogether. They have been cozying up to Beelzebub in their naked little rebellion against legitimate Church authority. Each and every one should pay the price.

Catholics call them schismatics and non-Catholic because, well, THEY ARE SCHISMATICS AND NON-CATHOLICS.

31 posted on 10/09/2016 10:21:04 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: dp0622
Living in NYC as you are, you might want to check out Daniel Patrick Moynihan's 1962 book Maximum Feasible Misunderstanding which details how communists and servants of same (including the then young man named Richard Blumenthal (CT's senior US Senator) created and used the "community boards" to outmaneuver Tammany Hall, the then still remarkably conservative Democrat machine whose bosses included a generation of very conservative (90% by voting record) aging Irish Congressmen like Delaney.

The hard left was not getting its way. Precious wealthy little snowflakes that they always are, they threw temper tantrums until they created today's NY Demonrat machine. Early on, Ed Koch was one of the snowflakes but, as mayor, he dominated them and left their remains (temporarily) in the gutter.

The next level of "deviancy down" was Joseph Cardinal Bernardin, Roger Cardinal McPhony and now, Blase Cardinal Cupich and Joseph Cardinal Tobin (both appointed as of 11/19/16 by Frankie, the Supreme Ayatollah of Rome).

After that, Frankie would make new breathroughs: lay cardinals, non-Catholic cardinals (in addition to Cupich and Tobin) like Barack Insane Cardinal Obozo? And WOMYN cardinals such as the Hildebeast ("Isn't it about time WE had a cardinal with female plumbing??? If Frankie could then appoint the Arkansas Medusa to chair the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, she could change its nature to the Unholy Office. One who has fallen away from the "United" Methodist church is easily as "Catholic" as Walter Cardinal Kaspar.

Frankie the Unwanted has been occupying the Chair of Peter for more than three intolerable years. Isn't it time that we CATHOLICS had a pope?

32 posted on 10/09/2016 11:23:12 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

Maybe the other pope can stage a coup.

Too bad it doesn’t work that way.

I wonder why he left.


33 posted on 10/09/2016 11:33:25 AM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: BlackElk; steve86
They have been busy trying to wreck the Church altogether.

Nah, the Novus Ordites get that accolade! All the while claiming others who are Catholic and fighting to retain the Catholic Faith are schismatic/non-Catholic.

34 posted on 10/09/2016 12:17:11 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Does so

Hmmm... What do you mean by that?


35 posted on 10/09/2016 1:04:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I was deplorable before deplorable was cool...)
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To: piusv
I only attend Tridentine Masses but I also only attend Tridentine Masses said by priests (Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest) who are in communion with our diocesan bishop and with the Holy See.

If you want to rip Frankie, that's fine by me. However, I will not silently abide attacks (by those whose tastes were offended) on Pope Saint John Paul the Great or upon Pope John Paul I or upon Benedict XVI (other than his lifting the splendid excommunications of surviving miscreants of SSPX's Econe 4 consecrated schismatics and resigning without foreseeing the election of Frankie or some other miscreant like him).

The tail will not wag the dog. Nor will dead excommunicated Marcel's love slaves ever govern the Church (the actual one HQd in the Vatican). Frankie will be gone soon enough and the repair of his damage can begin.

36 posted on 10/09/2016 2:41:56 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: BlessedBeGod

The argument against non-Catholic participation of Communion is starting to ring hollow.


37 posted on 10/09/2016 2:51:09 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: BlackElk

You are still a Novus Ordite who just “prefers” the Latin Mass.


38 posted on 10/09/2016 2:54:21 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: windsorknot
The argument against non-Catholic participation of Communion is starting to ring hollow.

What argument is that? Ever since the New Canon Law of 1983 codified the new ecumenical religion of Vatican II non-Catholics have already been allowed to receive communion under certain circumstances. Prior to that? The Catholic Church always condemned it and NEVER allowed it without conversion to the Catholic Faith first.

39 posted on 10/09/2016 2:58:52 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

Thanks for the clarification. Apparently the Church is farther gone since Vatican II than I realized.


40 posted on 10/09/2016 3:23:06 PM PDT by windsorknot
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