Posted on 10/09/2016 1:12:34 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
You are making an analogy between a fish and the Church.
The fact that you think that the laity are to blame is ass-backwards.
But it does give the hierarchy another pass. So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
Never said there weren’t hierarchy to blame before Vatican II. Vatican II didn’t happen overnight.
Cardinal Gibbons...is still a....cardinal (ie. hierarchy not laity).
The Church needs an unmarked side window.
My, you are so good at Alynsky tactics.
Beliving St. John Paul II.
**In 1981, Pope St. John Paul II wrote in his exhortation Familiaris Consortio:
…the Church reaffirms her practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried. They are unable to be admitted thereto from the fact that their state and condition of life objectively contradict that union of love between Christ and the Church which is signified and effected by the Eucharist. Besides this, there is another special pastoral reason: if these people were admitted to the Eucharist, the faithful would be led into error and confusion regarding the Church’s teaching about the indissolubility of marriage.**
Aren’t you? If I am misinterpreting please do explain. You seem to be laying all the blame at the laity’s feet.
This Letter put an end to a bitter controversy which had been agitated for nearly ten years, particularly in the Catholic press. In expressing their adhesion to the Holy See and their unqualified acceptance of the teachings set forth in the Letter,the bishops of the United States made it clear that whatever departures from the same might have occurred in this country they had not been either widespread or systematic as they had been made to appear by the interpretation put upon the "Life of Father Hecker" in the preface to the French translation.
It looks like the focus was the bishops at that time, but that Pope Leo's concerns were put to rest.
So long as their faith is “progressive?????” Frankie the Apostate strikes again!
In addition to reflecting Frankie's preference for apostasy, Tobin is also a cheerleader for the Islamofascist horde to overrun Indiana and has publicly clashed with Mike Pence over the matter which is in the jurisdiction of secular authority. An archbishop, regarding himself as "liberal" and, no doubt, as a "champion of the working man" climbs on board the cheap labor express to welcome ISIS to Indiana.
Archbishop Chaput of Philadelphia is passed over for the red hat AGAIN simply because he IS a Catholic. Likewise, Archbishop Gomez of Los Angeles who, as an actual Catholic, silenced his scandalous predecessor, Roger Cardinal Limp Wrist McPhony, for his shameful role in the sex scandals of the Los Angeles Archdiocese.
What have Marvelous Excommunicated Marcel LeFebvre, SSPXers, and sedevacantists been doing? ANSWER: They have been busy trying to wreck the Church altogether. They have been cozying up to Beelzebub in their naked little rebellion against legitimate Church authority. Each and every one should pay the price.
Catholics call them schismatics and non-Catholic because, well, THEY ARE SCHISMATICS AND NON-CATHOLICS.
The hard left was not getting its way. Precious wealthy little snowflakes that they always are, they threw temper tantrums until they created today's NY Demonrat machine. Early on, Ed Koch was one of the snowflakes but, as mayor, he dominated them and left their remains (temporarily) in the gutter.
The next level of "deviancy down" was Joseph Cardinal Bernardin, Roger Cardinal McPhony and now, Blase Cardinal Cupich and Joseph Cardinal Tobin (both appointed as of 11/19/16 by Frankie, the Supreme Ayatollah of Rome).
After that, Frankie would make new breathroughs: lay cardinals, non-Catholic cardinals (in addition to Cupich and Tobin) like Barack Insane Cardinal Obozo? And WOMYN cardinals such as the Hildebeast ("Isn't it about time WE had a cardinal with female plumbing??? If Frankie could then appoint the Arkansas Medusa to chair the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, she could change its nature to the Unholy Office. One who has fallen away from the "United" Methodist church is easily as "Catholic" as Walter Cardinal Kaspar.
Frankie the Unwanted has been occupying the Chair of Peter for more than three intolerable years. Isn't it time that we CATHOLICS had a pope?
Maybe the other pope can stage a coup.
Too bad it doesn’t work that way.
I wonder why he left.
Nah, the Novus Ordites get that accolade! All the while claiming others who are Catholic and fighting to retain the Catholic Faith are schismatic/non-Catholic.
Hmmm... What do you mean by that?
If you want to rip Frankie, that's fine by me. However, I will not silently abide attacks (by those whose tastes were offended) on Pope Saint John Paul the Great or upon Pope John Paul I or upon Benedict XVI (other than his lifting the splendid excommunications of surviving miscreants of SSPX's Econe 4 consecrated schismatics and resigning without foreseeing the election of Frankie or some other miscreant like him).
The tail will not wag the dog. Nor will dead excommunicated Marcel's love slaves ever govern the Church (the actual one HQd in the Vatican). Frankie will be gone soon enough and the repair of his damage can begin.
The argument against non-Catholic participation of Communion is starting to ring hollow.
You are still a Novus Ordite who just “prefers” the Latin Mass.
What argument is that? Ever since the New Canon Law of 1983 codified the new ecumenical religion of Vatican II non-Catholics have already been allowed to receive communion under certain circumstances. Prior to that? The Catholic Church always condemned it and NEVER allowed it without conversion to the Catholic Faith first.
Thanks for the clarification. Apparently the Church is farther gone since Vatican II than I realized.
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