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Your Soul is Worth More than Your Vote (Catholic Caucus)
shamelesspopery.com ^ | July 20, 2016 | Joe Heschmeyer

Posted on 07/22/2016 1:32:34 PM PDT by rwa265

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To: rwa265

Hillary is despicably evil in Catholic terms, especially in her support for unlimited abortion.

Trump is at worst questionable. We don’t know what he might do on some issues. But he certainly is not basically evil, like the Hildabeast.

Waterboarding is not fun, but it can be argued that it is permissible in Catholic circles. It is NOT torture. And it can be used to prevent more killings of innocent people.


21 posted on 07/22/2016 2:02:24 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rwa265

That’s just really... awful. And the following comments are not necessarily directed at you.

Don’t vote for Trump if you don’t want to, but who on earth knows the condition of Donald’s soul or why he’s where he is?

Maybe God put him right where he is for His own glory.

Sorry, this is how our system works. Trump is not that egregious. Cruzbots trying to make excuses for their lameness. and pull others along with them. Or maybe the GOPe stirring the pot trying to prevent a landslide. God knows they have more to lose if Trump wins.

Cruz ran an awful campaign. Jumped on Beck’s Crazy Train. Was knocked out by a few jabs from Donald.

Ted proved he would NEVER stand a chance against Cankles, et al. His performance against Donald showed his thin-skinned weaknesses.

I donated sacrificially to Ted. It hurt but I believed in him. Then he turned into a whiny baby loser. I want a refund.

You want another petulant man-child in office or a fighter?

Don’t want to vote for Donald because your soul is so frigging pure? Then don’t. But enough already! All you’re doing is creating more venom against St Ted and destroying any chance he has in any office.


22 posted on 07/22/2016 2:02:37 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan (islam is the worship of Satan)
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To: rwa265

He has no bearing on my vote and has no basis or standing to give it....
Plain and simple..... Trump is anti-abortion.... Clinton is militantly pro-abortion.....
This is the base issue that all Catholics should measure a candidate, if they want to make a decision based on religion.....
BTW, I’m Catholic...


23 posted on 07/22/2016 2:02:54 PM PDT by nevergore
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To: rwa265

Catholics DO NOT often have difficulty choosing who to vote for: they either vote for a pro-life candidate or they don’t.Everything else is secondary.


24 posted on 07/22/2016 2:06:29 PM PDT by Doche2X2
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To: rwa265

Trying to equate water boarding a known terrorist with killing millions of unborn babies, or even one, is a sickening attempt to okay voting for an evil woman. The same thing happened when pro-life Bush ran against pro-abortion Kerry. It didn’t work then and hopefully won’t work now.


25 posted on 07/22/2016 2:06:41 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: rwa265
Great line in the combox at the link

"We currently have 5 Catholics on the court and it hasn’t changed much of anything."

26 posted on 07/22/2016 2:09:22 PM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: rwa265
Is it possible for someone to be so above the world that they're of no worldly value to those of us who still have to live here in this biblical valley of death?

I am trying to be an observer of the world without getting too much of it on me, often unsuccessfully, but I have read and noticed how the Lord commonly chooses the most unlikely, in our eyes, to reveal and do His Will on behalf of the rest.

Also, judging, whatever it is, is a bad idea and so is assuming that one's own understanding of things is the correct understanding.

Whether correct or otherwise, I do appreciate his level of understanding and will give it some thought.

Thanks for posting!

27 posted on 07/22/2016 2:17:18 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: rwa265

Catholic “church” has gone full libtard.


28 posted on 07/22/2016 2:22:38 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: rwa265

What garbage. Any faithful Catholic who does not support Trump has cast his or her lot with the demonic left which works toward the demise of Christian civilization. And I say this as a devout Roman Catholic who frequently partakes of the sacraments and has a master’s in Thomistic theology from a top Catholic ecclesiastical school (among other degrees).


29 posted on 07/22/2016 2:25:30 PM PDT by AC Beach Patrol
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To: Bigg Red

Thank you, Bigg Red.


30 posted on 07/22/2016 2:27:28 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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I agree. As a Catholic, I am going into a voting booth and voting for Trump with ZERO guilt and No I will not be going to confession about this nor will I be asking for forgiveness in my prayers. Nothing Trump has said has come close to a sin for me. My wife and oldest son are voting Trump and neither one has given me any indication that they feel “funny” or sadden by the vote. In fact, all of us had a blast going to the voting booth together to vote for Trump during the primary.....My son’s first vote at 18 years old. So nice to share that with him.


31 posted on 07/22/2016 2:30:48 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: VaeVictis

“Don’t cast a political vote for somebody TOO bad, or you’ll go to hell.”

If people really believed that, then they wouldn’t dare cast a political vote for anybody at all.

Political votes are not for Savior-alls. It would be like you needed to get to New York City and you were in Topeka. You have two buses available, one or the other that you must get on. One takes you to Salt Lake City, the other to Chicago. Now which one would it make sense to get on, knowing that traveling the rest of the way is easier from one destination than the other. Or do you just sit, waiting for that nonstop booking to New York City to appear.


32 posted on 07/22/2016 2:34:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: napscoordinator

You are a true-blue American, Naps. I’ve known you here for years and know you as a good man.

Catholics are free to vote for whomever they feel is the best candidate. And no one comes close to Trump. I, too, enjoyed voting for him in the primary despite the slimy volunteer actually entering me as a Democrat until I abused him of his arrogance and stupidity (the two go hand in hand, btw).

It must have been exciting to vote with your son. I know how much it meant to me to have my first drink and vote at 18, lol! (I’m an old baby-boomer.)


33 posted on 07/22/2016 2:36:58 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: GBA

the author is a former attorney.

“[Christians] reside in their own nations, but as resident aliens. They participate in all things as citizens and endure all things as foreigners. . . . So noble is the position to which God has assigned them that they are not allowed to desert it.”

Some argue that voting must be done “according to immutable moral principles.”
Voting is a civic matter, which falls under practical affairs, not religious affairs. The virtue of prudence governs our conduct on practical affairs. It includes the ability to judge actions: appropriate actions at a given time and place. Prudence often requires the individual to gather information and then measure and weigh different factors in making decisions. Some of the integral parts of prudence are foresight, circumspection and caution.

yes, we vote with our intellect, not our soul and not our conscious. it is a simple civic exercise. Third graders can do it. Give them a binary choice and they can choose.


34 posted on 07/22/2016 2:40:04 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: miss marmelstein

Thank you so much! You are incredibly great too. It was nice for sure!


35 posted on 07/22/2016 3:09:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: napscoordinator

You’re welcome. My best to your family.


36 posted on 07/22/2016 3:12:55 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: rwa265

This Catholic Squishiness is starting to get to me.. so much in fact, I posted a reply at the website.

Between Public Schools, and Some of Our Catholic Ones..anyone remember “growing in love” in Catholic Schools back in the nineties?

There is rot found in Our Seminaries, in Parishes, with Our Bishops, with the Vicar of Christ. I am sick to death of it, and btw, will happily vote for Donald Trump and Mike Pence in November.


37 posted on 07/22/2016 3:42:36 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Donald Trump will ban auto-correct with an Executive Order. Go Trump!)
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To: rwa265

This is a Catholic Caucus thread..in other words Catholics Only. I see some non Catholics posting here.


38 posted on 07/22/2016 3:47:57 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Donald Trump will ban auto-correct with an Executive Order. Go Trump!)
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To: rwa265; Mollypitcher1; VaeVictis; Ann Archy; JoeFromSidney; Nifster; heterosupremacist; ...

These religious advocates of political boycotting are the number one problem in the pro-life movement. They are the majority, among pro-lifers, in many places.

They need to be shunned and shamed. Instead, they are often made celebrities and many are given speaking time at pro-life events.

In is encouraging that others here direct their ire at them.


39 posted on 07/22/2016 3:48:02 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Actually, I believe in what you are calling political boycotting.


40 posted on 07/22/2016 3:50:16 PM PDT by Bigg Red (You're on fire, stupid!)
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