Posted on 06/25/2015 7:00:52 PM PDT by Morgana
“I don’t know why you want to fall in to the my denomination is better than yours trap.”
The Catholic Church cannot be a denomination. Also, it is no trap to assert the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church.
The Catholic denomination, is one that almost always votes pro-abortion democrat.
The simple message of Christ...convoluted and twisted over centuries by men who thought they were Gods.
1.) Authority-.... The Authority of the New Testament Church is the Word of God...Jesus is the foundation of the New Testament Church... “For ‘no other’ foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1st Corinthians 3:11). Jesus is the Authority of the New Testament Church.
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The Bible is the believers FINAL AUTHORITY on all matters. This is the insurmountable difference between Christianity and all other religious beliefs, teachings, dogmas and philosophies...additionally The Church is a group of “called out believers” regardlessless of their denomination or church affliation (Matthew 18:20)
2.) History- Though stated by catholics thatThe Roman Catholic Church is the oldest church the Islamic faith has lasted for centuries as well...therefore the argument for years is mute....Additionally the beliefs and teachings of the Church were written down for us as the Spirit of God moved the authors of the Bible to write....which is why the Bible is the ultimate authority and guide for life now and everlasting.
3.) The Jews gave Christians the first five Books of the Bible .. ‘The first’ official’list of books contained is what is the Bible ....cathlicism did not.....The process of writing and recognizing the New Testament books began long before the Roman Catholic Church even existed. The night before the Lord was crucified, He told His disciples that they, empowered by the Holy Spirit, would bear witness to His life and teaching:..John 15:26,27 tells us...”When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness of Me, and you will bear witness also, because you have been with Me from the beginning. ..... the role that church councils played in the process is often overstated by Roman Catholics.
The first councils to have addressed the question as to which books were inspired and were rightfully part of the Bible appear to have been the North African Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397). The list of books accepted by the Council of Hippo ‘no longer exists’..... The Council of Carthage, however, is believed to have repeated the same list and its decree on the matter is extant.
Both councils were regional synods. They were not universal or ecumenical councils. About 50 bishops from the provinces of Africa attended each. These councils did not have authority to speak for the whole fourth-century church....It is also important to note that by the time these councils addressed the matter at the close of the fourth century, the canon or list of books recognized as forming the New Testament was well established.
important to notice is that the New Testament canon was not demarcated by the arbitrary decree of any Church Council. When at last a Church Council, the Synod of Carthage in A.D. 397, listed the twenty-seven books of the New Testament, it did not confer upon them any authority which they did not already possess, but simply recorded their previously established canonicity. iv
Furthermore, the decision reached by these councils has never been universally accepted. The controversy centers around writings referred to by Roman Catholic scholars as the deuterocanonicals and by Protestant scholars as the Apocrypha. In that non-Catholics have never accepted the decision of the councils to accept the Apocrypha as part of the Bible, it can hardly be argued that were it not for the Roman Catholic Church no one would know with certainty which books belong in the Bible.
4.) The Sacraments..... the Lord instituted ‘only two sacraments’ baptism and the Lord’s Supper given to His body of believers ecorded in the Bible...Jesus made no command or even mention of the remaining sacraments practiced by the Catholic Church...those are man made.. the sacraments are never tied to our salvation in any way (except that they may follow salvation). Consequently, since the Catholic church’s teaching on sacraments is inconsistent with Scripture, this demonstrates that the doctrine of magisterium is also false
....Scripture is also very clear that these two sacraments are symbolic, ‘visible signs of an inward grace’.. rather just as the Jews had been commanded to celebrate Passover ‘as a remembrance’ of the day the Lord passed over their first born while still in Egypt....These sacraments themselves do not confer grace; ‘they represent the grace already made’ available to believers. Consequently, sacraments bear no relationship to our salvation. , Just as being baptized does not make one a Christian....The thief on the cross was not baptized nor did he participate in communion, yet the Lord said he would be with Him in Paradise that day.
5.) Sola Scriptura simply stated, is that the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone ‘are sufficien’t to function as the the “rule of faith” for the body of believers which is the church.. All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience....Further..Scripture authority comes God-breathed revelation. Their authority is not dependent upon man, Church or council. The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating. The Christian Church looks at the Scriptures as the only and sufficient rule of faith and the Church is ‘always subject to the Word’....As is written in Timothy 3:16-17, ....”All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for instruction, for training in righteousness, in order that the man of God might be complete, fully equipped for every good work.”..Traditions are not God-breathed and, hence, are subject to examination on the part of the higher authority of Scripture.
The Church is not left without the voice of God. Therefore, when the Church listens to Scripture, she is hearing her Lord speaking to her. The authority of the Church then, in teaching, and rebuking, and instructing, is derived, despite Roman Catholic claims to the contrary, from Scripture itself. the Roman position is contradicted by that of the Apostle. ... no other ‘rule of faith’ is necessary so that the man of God is equipped for every good work. No other rule of faith, that is, than the Scriptures.
It most certainly is a denomination and became so when it wove pagan rites and rituals into it's doctrines and twisted scripture to accommodate worldly pagans and their practices.... Just as it continues to do today via Pope Francis in embracing Islam and other pagan religions....just as the former Popes of History who aligned with the Worlds Governance's and False religions of their time....None of which is the Church of the Bible nor Biblical Christianity.
The True Church is made up of the body of believers regardless of their denomination or affiliations. Salvation and living a Christian life is not dependent on a denomination...it's dependent on a relationship with Jesus Christ.
“It most certainly is a denomination”
Nope. Christ’s Church - the Catholic Church - can never be a denomination.
1.) Authority — Only Christ has the authority
2.) History — The proof is here; a lot of people don’t want to accept it.
3.) The Catholic Church gave Christians the Bible— another thing some people don’t want to accept.
4.) The Sacraments are Biblical — everything from Reconciliation/Confession to Eucharist to Anointing of the Sick. Where did Christ work his first miracle? At a wedding, thus giving it sacramental status.
5.) Sola Scriptura is not supported in the Bible — WooHoo!
The states where the Catholic denomination is the strongest tend to be the most liberal.
Those “few” Christians took the church where God intended it should go and away from Catholicism....just as He chose just 12 men in the beginning.....and for that the True Church is World wide to this day...and it's work continues despite Catholicism getting in it's way.
The True Church practicies 'Christianity' with Christ as center...not Churchianity which catholicism teaches.
Educate yourself further in Post 24
Jesus said to his disciples: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
“Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock. And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
When Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.
Where did you learn this? You have some of the truth but not all of it.
Be more specific....what is it you question.
The head of the true church is Jesus Christ - anyone else is an impostor.
I firmly believe that if one prays to God, asking for direction on which Christian church to join, God will direct him to the church in which he will be of greatest service to his family and fellow men. And...He will know because the Holy Spirit will unmistakably confirm his decision, not only once, but repeatedly throughout his life. In case, there is something almost daily that happens that I **know** I am in the church that Heavenly Father wants for me and His kingdom.
If you have specifically prayed to your Father in Heaven about your decision to be Roman Catholic, and the Holy Spirit has confirmed this decision in your heart, not only once but repeatedly, then this is where you should be.
To date, no catholic has answered.
It’s hard to type with just one hand and one eye, but i will try...
Every church is a construct of man with flaws and faults compounded by politics and personal agendas. One’s relationship with God is truly personal, and the church one belongs to, might depend on a blind and mute faith, but God, the True God, remains stalwart and steadfast.
These are interesting times, when people of christian faith should not be bickering or positioning to be the last eaten by the crocodile.
Bless us, everyone, and may God have mercy on our souls.
People will be so surprised at the moment of their death to find out that we always told everyone the truth.
God bless, thanks for the post.
Still waiting?
Are you saying that Christ founded a Church on untruths?
Far, far from the truth. Christ founded the Catholic Church on the first Bishops and there was no other Church at all until the 1500s and Luther.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
The true church is those followers of Christ, regardless of where they choose to worship and which denomination they choose to affiliate with.
Salvation is through faith in a person, Jesus, who died for us, not membership in a denomination.
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