Pope Kisses the Waldensian Bible --- Pope Francis, Don Bosco and the Waldensians

Eponymous Flower ^ | June 24, 2015

[mrobisr]

Yes the true church that has earth worshiping advisers among its council, yeah that’s Godly.

[Larry Lucido]

Glancing at the headline, I wondered for a second whether Don Bosco was one of the heads of the five families, who made his fortune importing delicious chocolate syrup. (Didn’t realize that John Bosco was also called “Don Bosco”).

[vladimir998]

“Ok; I’m the crazy one.”

We agree on that.

[SaveFerris]

Bosco! Bosco! BOSCO!!!

[Springfield Reformer]

 Protestantism was the result of the Reformation which came about in protest of the Catholic Church.

Actually, the word "protest" entered the conversation on political grounds more than theological, though the two were intertwined:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestation_at_Speyer

In short form, the free princes of Germany were promised in 1526 a relaxation of the persecution they were undergoing from the Holy Roman Empire, but that promise was rescinded three years later.  In prospect of losing their freedom to worship as Lutherans, they issued a protest against the decision of the majority to resume the persecution.  From thence their detractors called them the "protestants,"  and I would have been glad to be among them.  Bringing the temporal forces of government against religious minorities, even those which might be in error, is not how Jesus taught His apostles to advance the Gospel.

Furthermore, if one does not accept the principle of religious freedom, why be on a conservative political website like FreeRepublic at all?  Don't we spend a sizable chuck of bandwidth "protesting" our loss of freedom, both religious and otherwise?  Don't we consider that generally a healthy thing to do, not let tyrants rule over us?  Our rights, after all, are grounded in our mutual recognition that we are all made in the image of God, that our Creator has granted us these rights, and we hold them and fight for them against anyone but Him.  This applies even if we are in error, so long as that error does not cross the line of the civil and criminal law as illuminated by the natural law.  So we are free to have any idea of the body and blood of Christ, and we answer only to God, whether we have been faithful to Him or not.  But no one in the temporal power has the right to do us harm over it.  Only if we were, for example, to follow a religion that encouraged murder or fraud, would we expect to be curt short in those pursuits.

And so the "protest" in Germany was for religious freedom, and against the conduct of violence against those who did not deserve such uncivil treatment.  It would be interesting to observe how many here, that always come to these online debates because they are soft, easy, safe things, I wonder which side of the line people would cross to.  I am not a Lutheran, though we do have much in common, but I have no doubt I would have stood with the German princes for freedom.  If that makes me a "protester," so be it.  Make mine loud and strong.

Peace,

SR

[BlueDragon]

Why would somebody who rejects the entire New Testament care about who kisses what Bible?

Did he kiss the back, or the front?

[Elsie]

We agree on that.

Birds of a feather...

[Utah Binger]

[daniel1212]

Furthermore, if one does not accept the principle of religious freedom, why be on a conservative political website like FreeRepublic at all?

I have no doubt if the traditional RCs here had their way, FR would be another "Catholic Answers," with their immature wanne inquisitors disallowing whatever disrespects the object of their devotion.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-— I have no doubt if the traditional RCs here had their way, FR would be another “Catholic Answers,” with their immature wanne inquisitors disallowing whatever disrespects the object of their devotion. ——

The other day elsie told me that I didn’t have his “permission” to quote the Bible “out of context.”

You can ask him what that’s supposed to mean, but it seems like a strange position for someone who swears by Luther’s dogma of “the Bible alone” as the sole or ultimate rule of faith.

Did Luther tell us which verses we should quote?

[Alex Murphy]

Glancing at the headline, I wondered for a second whether Don Bosco was one of the heads of the five families, who made his fortune importing delicious chocolate syrup. (Didn’t realize that John Bosco was also called “Don Bosco”).

"George, there's no time! Tell him your code! Shout out your code, man!!"

[piusv]

Here’s the thing. If Protestants were just a bunch of folks who ministered to others without protesting against the teachings of Christ’s Church, then they would be with us and with Christ. Given they are against the teachings of Christ’s Church, they aren’t just a bunch of folks ministering to others. Hence, they are against us and Christ. The bible verse doesn’t apply. But I’m sure Francis agrees with you. Congrats.

[daniel1212]

You can ask him what that’s supposed to mean, but it seems like a strange position for someone who swears by Luther’s dogma of “the Bible alone” as the sole or ultimate rule of faith.

Yes, it would be indeed inconsistent to forbid you to quote the Bible even if out of context as a matter of free speech as per the context here, versus out of context quotes being disallowed as having validity. As in sound exegesis disallows you from using out of context quotes to prove your point. But as you fail to reference what Elsie said about out of context quotes the we cannot see if you are quoting him out of context.

Not much of an argument, but such are many of those from RCs, including some of yours in the past i am still awaiting responses to.

Did Luther tell us which verses we should quote?

His preaching provides examples, but unlike Rome, Luther never provided a binding decree on what books constitute Scripture, nor dissent from a binding canon, nor fail to include the apocryphal books in his Bible itself (in separate section), despite Cath canards to the contrary.

[Gamecock]

A Koran on the other hand….

[Elsie]

You can ask him what that’s supposed to mean...

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STA apparently CHOOSES to give a false imprssion every time he writes:

 

"If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus

 

 

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Matthew 18:15-17 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) 

¹⁵ But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.

¹⁶ And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.

¹⁷ And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

[Elsie]

Hence, they are against us and Christ.

Hence?

Your logic teacher called..

[Elsie]

...despite Cath canards to the contrary.

How many times does it take for a LIE to be told; before it transmogrifies into a CANARD?

[Elsie]

...is worth two Bushes...

[Elsie]

Did Luther tell us which verses we should quote?

[Elsie]

Hence, they are against us and Christ.