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Pope Joan: The Female Pope whose Real Gender was Revealed after she Gave Birth in a Procession
Ancient Origins ^ | 28 May, 2015 | Ḏḥwty

Posted on 05/28/2015 7:47:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

The origins of the Papacy can be traced to St. Peter, one of the original disciples of Jesus. The current pope, Francis I, is the 265th successor of St. Peter. Needless to say, all 266 popes are male. Yet, during the middle ages, there existed a story about a pope who was actually a female in disguise. The name of this supposed female pope was Joan. Who was this mysterious Pope Joan, and did she really exist?

The statue that still stands in Rome is Joanna with a papal crown.

The statue that still stands in Rome is Joanna with a papal crown.(ericcostanzo.com)

The first written account of Pope Joan can be traced to a 13th century work known as the Chronica universalis Mettensis (Chronicle of Metz). According to its author, the Dominican chronicler, Jean de Mailly, there was an unnamed pope who was not recorded in the list of Bishops of Rome because she was a woman disguised as a man. The chronicler goes on to say that it was this woman’s character and talents that enabled her to occupy the seat of St. Peter. In addition, de Mailly records that the grave of this unnamed pope was marked with a Latin phrase, “Petre, Pater Patrum, Papisse Prodito Partum”, meaning “O Peter, Father of Fathers, betray the childbearing of the woman pope”. It may be pointed out, however, that de Mailly begins this narrative with the Latin infinitive “Require”, meaning “to be verified / inquired into”, indicating that even the author himself is unsure as to the truth of the story.

Painting of Pope Joan in Papal Tiara, on display at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France, circa 1560.The artist is unknown.

Painting of Pope Joan in Papal Tiara, on display at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France, circa 1560.The artist is unknown. (en.wikipedia.org)

The story of the female pope in disguise is then picked up by an anonymous Franciscan friar of Erfurt in his Chronica minor, and by the Dominican inquisitor and preacher, Etienne de Bourbon. Whilst the story of the female pope in the Chronica minor is similar to that of de Mailly’s, Etienne de Bourbon’s version includes details regarding her death. The author records that the pope gave birth in public, thus revealing her true gender, and she was subsequently dragged behind a horse for half a league and then stoned to death for her deceit.

The most well-known and influential version of the female pope story, however, comes from the Chronicon pontificum et imperatorum (Chronicle of Popes and Emperors), written by another Dominican, Martinus Polonus. Due to the prestige and credibility derived from his ties with the Roman hierarchy, Martinus’ work circulated widely, and overshadowed the accounts of earlier writers on the same subject. Unlike other earlier accounts, Martinus provides a vivid account of the female pope’s life. As a matter of fact, it is here that the name Joan first appears in writing.

In addition to naming this pope, Martinus also provides details such as her nationality (English), place of birth (Mainz), as well as her pontificate (after Leo IV’s death in A.D. 855), and the length of her reign (two years, seven months and four days). Although Martinus reveals little about his sources, there is a tone of uncertainty in his writing, revealing that like his predecessors, he is also unclear about the verity of this tale. On top of that, some have claimed that this story was added to the chronicle after Martinus’ death, indicating that the chronicler had nothing to do with this tale. 

Martinus Polonus, the Dominican Friar who wrote a vivid account of Pope Joan’s life, yet he revealed little about his sources. Here he is depicted as the Archbishop of Gniezno, illustrated manuscript prior to 1535.

Martinus Polonus, the Dominican Friar who wrote a vivid account of Pope Joan’s life, yet he revealed little about his sources. Here he is depicted as the Archbishop of Gniezno, illustrated manuscript prior to 1535. (en.wikipedia.org)

From Martinus onwards, the story of Pope Joan became more and more elaborate. One version of the story, for instance, claims that the pope did not die immediately after giving birth. Instead, she was deposed after her confinement, and did penance for many years. After her death, she was buried in Ostia, where her son held the office of bishop.

As the primary written sources themselves indicate a certain amount of doubt regarding the story of Pope Joan, it is possible that the story is but an urban legend. Yet, others believe that there are ‘hints’ of this female pope’s existence in art and architecture. For instance, on the pillars of Bernini’s Baldalchin in St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican City, seven sculptures showing a woman’s facial expression whilst going into labour can be found. The eighth sculpture is that of a child. Some have interpreted this as that Pope Joan giving birth. Yet, there are numerous other possible interpretations of this scene that are conveniently ignored. The most popular one, for instance, is that the woman is the niece of Pope Urban VIII, who went into labour whilst Bernini was working on the Baldalchin.

Situated in the basilica of St Peter is the Baldachin, a sculpture in bronze by Bernini, created 1623-34, depicts seven sculptures showing a woman’s facial expression whilst going into labour. The eighth sculpture is that of a child.

Situated in the basilica of St Peter is the Baldachin, a sculpture in bronze by Bernini, created 1623-34, depicts seven sculptures showing a woman’s facial expression whilst going into labour. The eighth sculpture is that of a child. (en.wikipedia.org)

The legend of Pope Joan has survived over the centuries. The alleged female pope has been depicted in art, literature and plays. This tale has also been made into films, the most recent one being in 2009. Although the available evidence seems to cast some doubts regarding the existence of Pope Joan, it is likely that some would continue to believe that this figure was real. Whether as a piece of fiction or history, the tale of Pope Joan will most likely live on for a long time to come.

Featured image:  Pope Joan gives birth during a Church procession, artist Giovanni Boccaccio Circa 1450. (Wikimedia Commons)

By Ḏḥwty

References

abcnews.go.com, 2005. Looking for Pope Joan. [Online]
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Boese, A., 2015. Pope Joan. [Online]
Available at: http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/pope_joan

Bonetto, C., 2010. Rome Encounter. London: Lonely Planet Publications.
Kirsch, J., 1910. Popess Joan. [Online]
Available at: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm

Rustici, C. M., 2006. The Afterlife of Pope Joan: Deploying the Popess Legend in Early Modern England. Ann Arbor: University of Michiga Press.

Squires, N., 2010. Pope Joan film sparks Roman Catholic Church row. [Online]
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www.biography.com, 2015. Pope Joan. [Online]
Available at: http://www.biography.com/people/pope-joan-279083


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The statue that still stands in Rome is Joanna with a papal crown.

The statue that still stands in Rome is Joanna with a papal crown. (ericcostanzo.com)

The first written account of Pope Joan can be traced to a 13th century work known as the Chronica universalis Mettensis (Chronicle of Metz). According to its author, the Dominican chronicler, Jean de Mailly, there was an unnamed pope who was not recorded in the list of Bishops of Rome because she was a woman disguised as a man. The chronicler goes on to say that it was this woman’s character and talents that enabled her to occupy the seat of St. Peter. In addition, de Mailly records that the grave of this unnamed pope was marked with a Latin phrase, “Petre, Pater Patrum, Papisse Prodito Partum”, meaning “O Peter, Father of Fathers, betray the childbearing of the woman pope”. It may be pointed out, however, that de Mailly begins this narrative with the Latin infinitive “Require”, meaning “to be verified / inquired into”, indicating that even the author himself is unsure as to the truth of the story....

....As the primary written sources themselves indicate a certain amount of doubt regarding the story of Pope Joan, it is possible that the story is but an urban legend. Yet, others believe that there are ‘hints’ of this female pope’s existence in art and architecture. For instance, on the pillars of Bernini’s Baldalchin in St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican City, seven sculptures showing a woman’s facial expression whilst going into labour can be found. The eighth sculpture is that of a child. Some have interpreted this as that Pope Joan giving birth. Yet, there are numerous other possible interpretations of this scene that are conveniently ignored. The most popular one, for instance, is that the woman is the niece of Pope Urban VIII, who went into labour whilst Bernini was working on the Baldalchin....

....The legend of Pope Joan has survived over the centuries. The alleged female pope has been depicted in art, literature and plays. This tale has also been made into films, the most recent one being in 2009. Although the available evidence seems to cast some doubts regarding the existence of Pope Joan, it is likely that some would continue to believe that this figure was real. Whether as a piece of fiction or history, the tale of Pope Joan will most likely live on for a long time to come.

1 posted on 05/28/2015 7:47:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Gamecock

IB4CHEIN321


2 posted on 05/28/2015 7:48:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

I am direct descendant of that bastard child.
Ancestry.com is truly amazing as such miraculous discoveries occur every day .... I’m campaignPete and that’s my story ...


4 posted on 05/28/2015 7:55:36 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (-Connecticut Republicanism is a mental disorder. - Ann C.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-popess-who-just-won’t-go-away


5 posted on 05/28/2015 7:59:34 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Alex Murphy
The author records that the pope gave birth in public, thus revealing her true gender, and she was subsequently dragged behind a horse for half a league and then stoned to death for her deceit.

I'm not familiar with the history of how popes were elected, but if the process was similar to today's election and she were executed for her "deceit", what about the cardinals who voted for her? Shouldn't they have borne some responsibility for (not) vetting her in the first place?

6 posted on 05/28/2015 8:03:12 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (It is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind.)
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To: al_c

From that site.

*8The fundamental flaw in the Pope Joan legend and why any serious historian would reject it is that there is no “gap” in the actual traceable historical record where “Pope Joan” would have served if the legend were true. **


7 posted on 05/28/2015 8:04:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

This story is false.


8 posted on 05/28/2015 8:05:56 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Alex Murphy

This is hate speech. Catholicphobia.

If one can’t speculate on islam one can’t do so on Catholic history.


9 posted on 05/28/2015 8:09:08 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Alex Murphy

About as real as the Da Vinci code.


10 posted on 05/28/2015 8:12:41 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: impimp

Yup. But hasn’t it been taken seriously enough within the Catholic Church that safeguards have been used over the centuries to make sure it would never actually happen?

Iirc something about a special chair an incoming Pope would sit in to have his maleness verified ...


11 posted on 05/28/2015 8:15:34 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Fast Moving Angel
I'm not familiar with the history of how popes were elected, but if the process was similar to today's election

It wasn't. Back then it was who got the Call from people of Rome Aka the street mob.

12 posted on 05/28/2015 8:24:48 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Sub-editors: totes unnecessary.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Protestants readily ordain female pastors now days.


13 posted on 05/28/2015 8:25:23 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Alex Murphy
No truth to this at all. It appears to be something that started out as satire but has, over the centuries, morphed into an urban legend perpetuated by those who think or hope it discredits the Catholic Church. Here are the facts, as far as can be determined:

The Myth of Pope Joan

14 posted on 05/28/2015 8:34:03 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Alex Murphy

Not this myth again


15 posted on 05/28/2015 8:34:44 PM PDT by GeronL (free short story: http://flscifi.blogspot.com/2015/05/free-short-story-proper-care-feeding-of.html)
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To: Alex Murphy
It is amazing what some people will believe.

For this to have happened she would have had to have entered a monastery as a young child and escaped detection for decades.

In all that time none of the others saw her naked and noticed a little something was missing? There was not a lot of privacy in those days.

How did she deal with having her period?

She successfully kept her sex a secret for some twenty or thirty years minimum as the few Popes who were elected at a young age were generally of Roman Nobility and she was supposedly English.

And having done all of this she promptly took a lover, got knocked up and rather then going on a retreat to give birth continued to be-bop around Rome until the baby fell out of her.

16 posted on 05/28/2015 8:35:10 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Al Hitan
Protestants readily ordain female pastors now days.

Not all of us.

17 posted on 05/28/2015 8:46:19 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Say whu ?


18 posted on 05/28/2015 8:49:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Alex Murphy

There are people walking around today that believe Jedi Knights are real. Hundreds of years from now, maybe everyone will believe it.


19 posted on 05/28/2015 8:58:27 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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