Posted on 05/22/2015 9:05:44 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Those “catholics” you speak of are both devious and unbelieving of Catholic doctrine.
>>“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:<<
>>“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)<<
>>“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)<<
I am comfortable with that. I am willing to stake my eternity on the fact that I don't really worry much about what men say. I am far more concerned with what God says, and many times, it is directly opposed to what men say. Elsie, am I officially on your heretic list? 😱
Hey!
If you’re going to start by claiming I added something, I’m stoping right there.
The author included the phrase “and future sins”, for which I phrased “excuses all future behavior,”.
Now, if you’d like to explain to us how my rephrasing is a mischaracterization, we’re all ears.
Hey, what do you know? More pointless religious bickering. Another black eye for FR. Nice work.
“Any chance you could give up anti-Catholic rants, and take up golfing, or something? Forgive me, but you’re really not very good at this, even by Protestant standards.”
She smoked you out, didn’t she?
“and future sins”, for which I phrased “excuses all future behavior,”.
I don't see those as being equal. Not in the least. That Jesus died for future sins is not the same as have a an "excuse" for future behavior. My entire post was dedicated to showing we do NOT view Christ's death as an excuse for misbehavior, and I cited Paul in defense of the fact that this is a very old misconception.
So, yes, to me, that looks like you added something that goes beyond the intent of the OP. And as we are all the time having to deal with that faulty Catholic interpretation that we engage in easy believism, that is the context for my response.
But I am genuinely open to you setting me straight. Your comment, if it is not "additive," should not have used the charged word "excuse." But perhaps you only meant "forgiven?" Again, I am open to trying to understand you the best I can.
Peace,
SR
Sometimes the LDS get on here, and Elsie gets after them. 😇 (Good work Elsie)
I have never seen the INC or Quiboloy's people caucus here either, but if they did, we would be all over them too. INC doctrine is even more far out than catholic doctrine, and they are rabidly anti catholic. I have asked a few why, and they said they really did not know, except their church told them they were supposed to be. If the INC and Quiboloy had a caucus, I would be against them, but they never come.
Well then, you are wrong.
The only “future behavior” in question is “SIN”, and the author has declared that a non-problem.
Satan prefers that people not believe in him or his demons.
Then you are NOT saying we evangelicals would treat Christ’s death as an “excuse” to engage in future sinful behavior? Because that’s what I sincerely thought you were saying, and if not, then we are all good and can return to our respective corners. :)
But if that’s the case, it leaves me wondering what your objection actually was, because if you weren’t actually criticizing the idea of “excuse” as a bad thing, then I really don’t know what you were getting at.
Peace,
SR
I don’t understand why the author apologized for “sounding so crude”. It IS crude, and there is no way to make it sound appealing. It is the foundation of a system built on fraud, deceit, superstition, spiritual darkness and soul bondage. Celebrating everything that honors and lifts up the carnal man with fallible rules, doctrines and traditions that make a mockery of the work of Christ on our behalf. “Crude” does not begin to describe the whole picture that is associated with this system of debauchery.
Probably the same reason converted Mormons do not seek to convert JWs or Rc's...
A hearty “AMEN!”
Especially to “soul bondage.”
Satan uses human nature to cause people to think they must do something. God says it is a free gift. Catholics teach that grace comes and goes, depending on their works.
As someone said earlier, in the process, they render grace to be of no effect. “After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?” (Gal 3:3 ?) In fact, read the whole chapter - it deals directly with the Catholic error re. Works and Grace.
Yes. “Error”
Christ never apologized for sounding “crude “
That isn’t the case, not at all.
You’re truly not seeing the matter as evangelical Christians see it.
You know we oppose what God tells us is sin. We agree with Him on it. We know God is holy and hates sin. Sin is opposite of real love, and it grieves God. If we truly see God and His love and holiness as they are, and righteousness and sin as God sees them, how could we virtually delight to sin, as you suggest, while saying, “Glad I’m free to do wrong now”? Would it make sense, for example, for someone to believe that God hates adultery and abortion and then think that by Jesus’ sacrifice it’s now okay for him to engage in them, as if these things are now approved by God? If someone has truly been converted, then they recognize that they have rebelled against God and see sin as He does and are heartbroken about it. That’s what God seeks, “a broken and contrite spirit.”
Just as it is today with our adversaries. Forgive them God, they have no idea what they do.
Ask yourself, could a murderer get born again after committing murder? If your answer is yes, then you are part the way to comprehending why the Promise of God includes all your sin, past, present, and future. If a man is born again from above before he dies, then to believe there is some sin he could commit after being born again that would cancel his status of born again from above is to assert there is some sin which is stronger than God's Promise. There is no such sin, regardless of how hard satan drives that into your head. Once He 'borns you' ain't nothing nowhere nohow that can snatch you from His Grace AND Power.
The very act of admitting you are a sinner in need of His Grace makes you just what God is searching the whole Earth for, for His Spirit goes to and fro throughout the whole Earth seeking any boy, girl, man or woman who will let God be God IN THEM ... 'For it is God Who is in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.' 'You are bought with a price'. and if there some sin that the purchase won't cover --past present or future-- then the purchaser is in default, and God doesn't make mistakes. I am prime evidence of His love and long suffering with His creation.
What is ‘INC’ and Quiboloy? ... I’m so old!
Both are rooted in the Philippines.
Search for “Iglesia ni Cristo” and “Apollo Quiboloy.”
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