Prayers For, To,and Through the Dead

Reformed Apologetics Thoughts of Francis Turretin Blog ^ | April 21, 2009 | Francis Turretin Fan

[avenir]

The abomination is an attempt to go through ANYONE other than Jesus Christ to speak to God. Jesus does not need help as the “priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek” (Psalm 110; Hebrews 5-7).

[Alex Murphy]

Looks like you have a (new?) stalker, RnMomof7.

[MHGinTN]

The way to clarify the issues is to look at the gathering for the wedding in Heaven, at the groups that will be there, not just The Bride and The Savior. BUT there will be on one there without the ‘garment, which is interpreted the Grace of God in Christ. So, of the Wedding gathering how many groups do we identify, besides the Bride (the Church, the ekklesia growing since the end of Daniel’s 69th week,taken out before the seventieth week gets going)?

[Salvation]

When a person dies, the physical body dies. But the soul is judged instantly by Christ as your life flashes in front of you.

The soul is very much alive. If Jesus sends the soul to heaven, that person has eternal life.

If Jesus sends that soul to hell, that person has eternal damnation and fire.

If Jesus sends that soul to Purgatory, it is so that the soul can be purified by suffering and penance it did not do while on earth.

Remember that all souls must be perfect before entering heaven.

[mlizzy]

If you think that then why read them as you did in responding to this?

If I first didn't read them, how would I know they were an abomination? Some threads on the religion forum are quite good. Catholics and non-Catholics alike put their souls at peril when they get involved in any type hate thread, whether it be against Catholics or non-Catholics. I would love to see Free Republic be a force for Good, across the board, not just on their other forums.

[caww]

That's right....that one didn't come to mind but it is so and true.

Jesus was not concerned about addressing them directly, calling them exactly as they were. They "looked" the role that they wanted to be seen as, "Royalty" with their flowing gowns and but they were indeed dead inside."

Only to day they carry briefcases

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

An objective, numeric value for the number of threads of one type vs. another type can be found, and a simple count of said threads shows that as of this point, there are more anti-Catholic threads posted by Protestants than vice versa. There is no circular reasoning to be had, because it ends with a concrete value that cannot be redefined. If you want to claim you lack the ability to count integers, by all means be my guest.

I can see that you people got together through FReepmail or something and decided to start throwing around the NTS fallacy, because it's suddenly popping up from multiple members of your troop. I suggest you return to the council wigwam and discuss when it is actually applicable.

[MHGinTN]

Well, I don’t recognize a single one of them, and I sure don’t have the ability to see into their hearts like God does, so I have no idea ... but I see those nice briefcases!

[caww]

I do think FR is for good..including the “Open” religious threads.... But there are people who are more of a sensitive nature that should probably not view the open threads. But scroll on by...... I believe had some heard Jesus call the Sadducee's and Pharisees “White Sepulchers”...”Brood of vipers” etc. they would have thought he was being offensive and hateful as well.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Thanks for the heads-up, Gandalf.

[caww]

Me neither but I do recognize the culture in which they belong. So your a briefcase sort of guy ...lol.

I carried one for about 13 years and was very happy to put it aside when I finally laid it down.

[Iscool]

Their Catholic religion is completely foreign to the scriptures...A square plug in a round hole...

[RnMomof7]

Luther removed this passage and book from the Bible. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

!st Rome did not have a closed canon until Trent ...

2nd
Remember, Luther's Bible contains the Apocrypha. The books were not removed.Recently on Catholic Answers Fr. Sebastian Walshe addressed the topic Can Doctrine Develop? Fr. Walshe explained that previous to Trent's infallible declaration, there was uncertainty about which books were canonical. Fr. Walshe also briefly discussed the Apocrypha. Walshe admits there was indeed controversy in the church as to its status. It simply isn't the case that the church unanimously accepted these books early on and that Luther removed them.Walshe also says that Thomas Aquinas was not certain if the books of Maccabees should be considered part of canonical Scripture. That is, Aquinas didn't know one way or the other if the books of Maccabees were part of the canon because the church had yet to determine the status of these books. In fact, there were quite a number of people previous to Luther that doubted the full canonicity of the Apocrypha. Even one of the best Roman Catholic contemporaries of Luther, Cardinal Cajetan, held a similar view as Luther did on the status of the Apocrypha. There was even a group of very well respected Roman Catholic scholars at Trent that argued against including the Apocrypha as fully canonical.
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/05/apocrypha-luther-via-catholic-answers.html

3rd)

Also remember that Jerome did not include them in the OT canon .... he separated them ..

[terycarl]

while the Catholic church is so stupid after 2,015 years concerning religious teachings...and after (how old are you) years on Earth, you are brilliant...somehow reformed..and thus justified...your VERY POOR AND UNEDUCATED decision is somehow being justified by your newfound interpretation of truth

Yeah, that'll do it O.K.

[BlackElk]

As a Roman Catholic, on another thread, I have asked my fellow Catholics to pray for the Rev. Dr. Sproul and his full return to health because we can ill afford to lose the acknowledged major leaders of any truly Christian group.

I thank you for citing the language of James 5:16. I am not as quick with Scripture as are many of my Reformed siblings.

In the same vein, I ask your prayers for my still quite precarious health. Last Thanksgiving, I suffered a near fatal kidney failure and was not expected to live. I went into coma on Thanksgiving and remained in coma until a few days before Christmas. I was given a printout of FR posts of people generously making my health the object of their prayers and I am convinced that those prayers were effective and that God has granted me a return to conscious life and to my home.

While you and I may differ on the details of our respective faiths, we no doubt agree on many of the essentials. Whether we agree on everything or not, I ask your prayers and those of everyone else of whatever faith for the continued progress of my health through the merits of Jesus Christ and in His name. Jesus Christ is my Lord And Savior as He is yours.

May God bless you and yours.

[RnMomof7]

This is simply discussing a thread currently on the Religion forum

[Iscool]

I don't trust your command of Catholic doctrine. Sorry.

Well don't post a link...Post the ccc paragraphs that disagree with what she said...

If you are like some of the other Catholics here you don't know your own catechism anyway...

[Rashputin]

Luther threw out the portions of the Bible that clearly smacked down his trash and moved part of the New Testament to an Appendix he prefaced with the important information that those books he placed in the Appendix were not inspired by God.

Protestant folks throw out Scripture then pretend Catholic doctrine squarely based on Scripture is false. Along with repeating the same slurs the Romans used when throwing Christians to the lions, the majority of Protestant folks have become just like Romans who each worship their own little god that speaks to them through their Self and Self Alone.

[Iscool]

This is just another Catholic basing thread,and the sad thing is that the Bible is used to justify anti-Catholic Christian basing.

Now that's rich...

[terycarl]

It was the Catholic Church that added it with absolutely no authority from God.

How do you know??