Posted on 04/22/2015 2:34:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Just not true ...He stands cursed to hell by Rome, along with all Protestants ...even Rome's "loving" Pope francis has cursed him
Again.
Which means, Reset, that there is still a chance for the truth of The Gospel -- God's truth, not Catholic Cultism -- to be heard! If The Lord wills, we can hope and pray he uses this forum to reach the lost.
:D
Hoss
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL." (Rom. 2:16).
Evidently, according to this, we had BETTER know the gospel. And Paul called it: "MY GOSPEL". So where would we expect to find this gospel given to Paul? And why does he call it his gospel? food for thought..
Ask David, a man that God describes as a man "after His own heart"
Scripture tells us that if we break one "commandment " we have broken them all
So a man that lies is an idolator, a murderer, a blasphemer , an adulterer.
When we use other men and their sins as our standard we rob God of His absolute Holiness... All sin is an abomination to God...
Yes, Salvation and all others who believe this is not possible. Humanly speaking, it probably wouldn't be. But we are speaking of God and HIS plan of salvation. So we have to see it through God's eyes, not man's.
The very fact that Christ DIED for our sins, He did not IGNORE our sins, tells us the price was more than we could ever hope to pay. And how many of our sins were future when He died for them? ALL of them. From the day we were born until the day we die. He paid for all of them. That is just the reason we care NOT to disappoint Him. If I murder someone, it's not a question if Christ has forgiven me, it's a question of if I can ever forgive MYSELF for causing Christ to suffer for my sin. And it goes to EVERY sin, not just the "big ones". They are all an affront to God. That's why He PAID for them, not overlooked them.
Nobody you say?
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
True believers have been given the anointing of the Holy Spirit. It is those individuals who throughout scripture are not only expected to but required to understand what is in scripture. No where in scripture does Christ assign a "vicar" or "magisterium" to stand in for Him. He promised each believer the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. There is no difference between the apostles and us as believers in that regard.
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Listening to the falsehoods of the Catholic Church robs people of much of the truth of scripture.
And it's so obvious by some of the comments they make. It's sad. My heart breaks to realize how much they are missing.
Moses
David
Saul (the apostle Paul)
John tells us that if anyone has hated his brother, he has a ready murdered him in his heart.
The farce is saying there's a sin that God can't or won't forgive.
Now that you put it that way...
You are right again, Hoss.
R2z
Now that you put it that way...
You are right again, Hoss.
R2z
Are you listening to some man or strictly what you read in scripture? How often did Jesus say "it is written" when correcting or teaching? God consistently told people to write what He told them. Scripture is the word of God. Paul said anyone who something they didn't should be considered accursed. He also commended the Bereans for checking with scripture to make sure even what he was teaching was correct. I can assure you that those denomination that disagree are also listening to men and what they teach rather than scripture alone.
Amen
The Pharisees also gloated over the presumption that they were worthy of Heaven because they studied the Law and used it every chance they could to gloat over another's perceived condemnation.
BTW: Since this is bound to come up-
The Second Vatican Council speaks of salvation outside the Church in Lumen Gentium, nos. 14 and 16. Here are the pertinent sections from those two articles: 14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. [. . .] 16. [. . .] Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life.
What i mean by"never differentiated between bishops and elders" was that of referring to two ordained pastoral offices, which i think you concur with me on. And that there was no class of clergy distinctively titled "hiereus"="priest."
I believe the elders were basically the ones who were aged or had been long with the Christian knowledge.
There is no disagreement there, as Titus was to ordain mature qualified men, presbuteros (senior/elder), but he was to ordain such as elders in the formal sense, who are also called episkopos (superintendent/overseer).
Both Timothy and Titus were to pick elders and to appoint them to the position of Bishops and deacons.
Rather, the text you cited, Titus 1:5-7, uses presbuteros (senior/elder) and episkopos (superintendent/overseer) interchangeably, instructing pastor Titus to appoint presbuteros and thus telling him what the qualifications of a episkopos were to be.
Presbuteros likely is used to refer to the character of the person as a mature person, while episkopos refers to his function.
Also see,
And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church. (Acts 20:17)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)
What’s the English translation for Lumen Gentium???
“I will send the Holy Spirit... To teach you ALL things...”(ephasis mine)
Don’t you believe His Word? I take it as a promise, not a premise!
And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church. (Acts 20:17)
The bishops and deacons were still elders but the elders were not necessarily bishops and deacons.
>>In 2 Timothy 1:16-18, St. Paul wrote of his friend Onesiphorous: “May the Lord grant unto him to find the mercy of the Lord on that day” (that is, the Day of Judgment). The context of St. Paul’s remarks suggests that Onesiphorous was already dead (see 2 Tm 1:18 and 4:19).<<
It is the Prots and apostates who are calling St. Paul a heretic, not the Catholics.
Are you sure?
You seemed offended in your Post 151.
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