Three Things You're Probably Getting Wrong about Praying to the Saints

Shameless popery ^ | April 20, 2015

[af_vet_1981]

>>The Moslems also believe the one true God is "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,"<<
Would you please give you proof of that?

Yaqub (Arabic: يَعْقُوب, translit.: Yaʿqūb ), also known as Jacob, is a prophet in Islam who is mentioned in the Qur'an.[1] He is acknowledged as a patriarch of Islam. Muslims believe that he preached the same monotheistic faith as did his forefathers: Ibrahim, Ishaq and Ismail. Yaʿqūb is mentioned 16 times in the Qur'an.[2] In the majority of these references, Jacob is mentioned alongside fellow Hebrew prophets and patriarchs as an ancient and pious prophet who remained in the "company of the elect".[3][4] Muslims hold that Jacob was the son of Isaac and that he preached the Oneness of God throughout his life. As in Christianity and Judaism, Islam holds that Jacob had twelve sons, each of which would go on to father the Twelve Tribes of Israel.[5] Jacob plays a significant role in the story of his son, Joseph, and is referenced around twenty-five times throughout the narrative.[6] The Qur'an further makes it clear that God made a covenant with Jacob[7] and Jacob was made a faithful leader by God's command.[8]

[BlueDragon]

I see a common misconception about "The Bereans" often.

Turning it around backwards is not going to help.

It was all true because Paul had that authority, not the Bereans.

That puts the cart before the horse.

Paul wrote to the Bereans not from standpoint of claim for his own personal authority --- or else there would be no reason for the Bereans to search the Scriptures to see if what he said was true.

They in no way had authority to rule on whether what Paul taught about the Messiah was true or not.

That is doubly false. First, in that the issue is not as to anyone having authority over another, and by "authority" be able to pronounce judgement over whether what they were being taught was true or not.

What Paul was telling them was true -- NOT because Paul himself was saying so, but more primarily because what he was telling them was true, and that could be well enough adduced by Scripture.

In yet another place Paul wrote to the Galatians indicating to them that it is the Gospel message itself which had been preached which should be trusted;

Galatians 1

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Paul was not arguing for "authority of the Church" to then be able to go about altering, adding to, and attaching qualifiers to the gospel, but that such things be precluded. Even if it came from himself and the rest of the "church" of his own time or else an angel from heaven.(!)

I would encourage everyone to take Paul's advice and search the scriptures daily.

If Paul had authority to properly and correctly preach & teach, then that same is not nullified by the twisting and wresting of those who come along later trying to confuse people, and obscure and alter the gospel from what once had been preached.

I have standing to say these things, for I stand not on my own personal authority or claims of my own authority, but upon as it is written.

[Resettozero]

Wikipedia? Edited 5 days ago by Yamaguchi?

And nothing in your post contradicts the widely-held knowledge that Islam descends from Ishmael, not through Isaac and then Jacob.

Why are you defending Mohammedism?

[Gamecock]

See this.

[af_vet_1981]

I believe in the God that my Lord Jesus Christ prayed to and taught us to address as our Father in Heaven. That One and Only God, and Him alone.

He is known as "the God of Abraham," among other titles.

You are greatly mistaken about many things pertaining to Who Jesus Christ really is, about Christians, and about Islam in particular.

False

Why the defense of Mohammedism?

False; I am simply telling the truth and not allowing a carnal bias to declare the God of Abraham to be a false god. There are three major monotheistic religions in the world, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They all look to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as the one true God. They all believe God gave his name (Hebrew Tetragrammaton) to Moses. They all believe God sent all of the Hebrew prophets mentioned in the Jewish Bible. They significantly differ on the Messiah, specifically on whether Jesus is the Messiah (He is), whether Jesus is the son of God and God the son (He is), whether Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead (He did), and whether this same Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead (He will).

[Resettozero]

I am simply telling the truth and not allowing a carnal bias to declare the God of Abraham to be a false god.

Well, no one here has been saying that. You may have understood someone's post to mean that but, in that also, you would be mistaken.

Hope you are feeling well today. Thanks for the replies.

R2z

[Syncro]

Who needs God when they have Mary to take care of and direct everything?

Catholics attribute to Mary all the works of God, make God dependent on her and subservient to her actions and decisions, and claim they don’t deify her.

There’s quite a disconnect there and then they wonder why we don’t believe them.

I'm perplexed to some degree here.

I can't figure out if this is a conundrum wrapped in an enigma or an enigma wrapped in a conundrum

Perhaps Winston Churchill said it best, but with a few changes:

"I cannot forecast to you the action(s) of Russia Catholicism. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma: but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national the interest of continuing the alterations of the Biblical message by Catholicism.")

With a hat tip and apologies to Mr. Churchill concerning his Speech broadcast on 1939-10-01

Mary seems to have become the central focus of Catholicism.

Jesus will come "in the twinkling of an eye."

Hopefully the trumpet will sound just before that so many Catholics heads will turn from looking at Mary and look to their Lord and Master, Jesus Christ instead.

We can only pray.

We sing a song in church called "Keep your eyes upon Jesus." Words to live by for all those that call themselves Christians.

[Resettozero]

I was expecting this song.

[Syncro]

Islam has a false god, Allah.

Allah has no son.

The God of the Bible does.

One of the main tactics to get people to follow Islam is to lie. Naturally they will claim they follow the God of Abraham.

So, as do the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, they are deceiving many people in order to create a world of Muslims only.

That is their goal, taking over the world for Allah.

If they can't convert with words, they convert with the sword.

They seem to have hoodwinked Catholicism into embracing their lies.

Satan, the father of lies, can pose as an Angel of light... he shines that light on Allah to deceive.

Islam has a different Gospel which Jesus warned about.

Here is the warning from the Bible:

International Standard Version
For if someone comes along and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached [which Islam does] , or should you receive a different spirit from the one you received [which Islam does] or a different gospel from the one you accepted [which Islam does], you are all too willing to listen.

God is very good at warning us against evil. We must have ears to hear and eyes to see.

[Syncro]

Thanks!

I was looking for a vocal rendition, but could not find on without an advertisement so went with just the words.

[ealgeone]

I agree!

[smvoice]

AMEN, BlueDragon, and BEAUTIFULLY put! Thank you.

smvoice

[editor-surveyor]

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Boiler plate aside, The god Allah of the Quran does not share the attributes of Yehova, the God of Abraham.

Allah as described in the Quran is capricious and changing, giving sexual favors to those that seek Jihad, and there is no recognition of Allah having a son.

Allah is clearly the moon god, not Yehova.
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[Iscool]

CCC 970 teaches how Christ shares His priesthood as follows:
“Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men... flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.”513 “No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”514 (2008, 1545, 308)

As you can see, this statement does not equate Mary with the Incarnate Word.

Utter nonsense...Jesus does not share his mediation with any one...

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You are posting the lies of your religion...

963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503

There you have it...The mother of God...And the mother of Jesus...We know what your religion teaches and now you do as well...

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

So you say Jesus is the source of salvation and grace but here we see then that Jesus doesn't give salvation and grace to anyone but Mary...And it is the job of Mary to divvy out grace and salvation to whom she sees fit...Benefactress, Mediatrix, Advocate...

Those things are attributed only to God in the scriptures...Your catechism makes a deity of Mary...A goddess...And obviously you know it and apparently is why you don't want to get into the fine print...

[Iscool]

I said my Rosary this morning for your well-being and redemption, daniel1212, and that of everybody on this forum.

What good will that do us???

[af_vet_1981]

Yes, Islam is a monotheistic religion that worships the God of Abraham, albeit in grave error. As you point out, so do other Protestant derivatives that may be called cults or religions. The issue is not whether they are in grave error (they are) and their particular scriptures are false (they are), but whether they recognize that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one and only true God (they do), and whether that admission provides a platform for dialogue or evangelism. Do not stumble over the Arabic for “The God” which is a linguistic cousin for the Hebrew word for God.

[metmom]

This statement does not show much confidence in the average Christian having a good understanding of the Trinity.

Considering how "poorly catechized" FRoman Catholic elitists claim that everyone but them is, that is hardly a surprise.

Besides, have you seen dan's stats on how the average Catholic comes into alignment with RCC yteachings?

[metmom]

By the way, the noob is no more....

[Iscool]

(Come Holy Spirit, come through Mary) So the Holy Spirit at pentecost came through Mary? Putting Mary between you and God is not going to turn out well for you.

That's what their gurus teach them...

725 Finally, through Mary, the Holy Spirit begins to bring men, the objects of God's merciful love,107 into communion with Christ. And the humble are always the first to accept him: shepherds, magi, Simeon and Anna, the bride and groom at Cana, and the first disciples.

[metmom]

The Moslems also CLAIM TO believe the one true God is “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,” revering all three of the Jewish Patriarchs.

There, fixed it for you.....