Three Things You're Probably Getting Wrong about Praying to the Saints

Shameless popery ^ | April 20, 2015

[editor-surveyor]

Mithras is Roman, Tammuz is the Greek’s version.

A lower case t, tilted slightly to the left was the symbol of both. French cathedrals are speckled with them. Constantine was known for crossing his forearms to make the symbol.
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[Elsie]

But God doesn't have a physical appearance, except for Jesus, who is God... I love the way that works...

Now you've gone and upset our Mormons on FR; one of whom may castigate you for being disrespectful and/or egregiously insulting.

[editor-surveyor]

He had his son by his side.

[Elsie]

666 AND 777???

How cool is THAT!!!

[Elsie]

What?

No turtles?

[Elsie]

What Catholics fail to grasp is that God has the RIGHT to do with men as He sees fit.

Doesn't Rome teach the potter/clay thing in it's catechism classes?

[Elsie]

Bang it around all you wish, but there is nothing in scripture calling for any “Trinity.”

Ignore it all you want; but a dual natured GOD is staring you in the face in Genesis...

Let US create man in OUR image...

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Where can I read about this FIRST resurrection in the Scriptures?” <<

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In the gospels of Matthew and John, the first epistle to the Corinthians, and to the Thessalonians, and in the Revelation.

Revelation 20:6 sets it out perfectly as the resurrection before the millennial reign.

“they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”
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After that comes the Great White Throne when the books get opened, and bad stuff happens to all that are subject thereto.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you for this very gracious response.

[editor-surveyor]

Binary 511 would be 111111110.

[Elsie]

You have always been good to me; even when I poke y’all in the collective eye with a stick.

[editor-surveyor]

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Do you smell the burning sulfur?
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[Elsie]

Binary 511 would be 111111110.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world.

Those that understand binary and those that don't.

You appear to be among the latter.

http://www.binaryhexconverter.com/binary-to-decimal-converter

[Elsie]

I’m lucky to smell anything today: coughin’ and hackin’ and generally miserable physically.

[Resettozero]

Don't tell me Bergoglio did too?

Here's one account.

[Iscool]

It is common knowledge that Joseph Smith invented the computer mouse.

Smart feller, that Joe Smith...

[Elsie]

In the gospels of Matthew and John, the first epistle to the Corinthians, and to the Thessalonians, and in the Revelation.

Can you make these piles of hay a bit smaller for me?

[Springfield Reformer]

I for one have a serious problem with Judaism's view of God, based largely on this:

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
(John 5:21-23)

They have indeed rejected the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, if they have rejected God's Messiah.  Jesus' statement above makes it impossible to miss this.

But the problem extends beyond that.  Do a thought experiment with me.  Just for fun. :) What if someone said they believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but they have these magic glasses and these mysteriously inscribed gold plates, and have come to the conclusion that this God is actually a highly evolved form of Adam?  Would you still agree that they worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?  Or have they kept the name only, and displaced the reality?

And then it gets even trickier, because none of us has a perfect idea of God.  So at what point, what threshold would be sufficiently off-base to say, nope, we are no longer talking about the same Being.  Buddhists believe in a version of God too.  But that God is really just a label for everything, i.e., pantheism.  But I have known Christians who didn't realize God knew what they were thinking.  That's defective too, but much less so.  So the question of degree enters into the analysis.

Don't misunderstand me here.  I'm not saying I have a pat answer to the question.  I do think one has to be careful to look at the content behind the label, and not just accept a label because it has been claimed.  On the Judaism question, I would say they are indeed dishonoring the true God, but I probably could not have reached that conclusion without that passage from Jesus to confirm it, because they do have a version of God that is close enough to Christian truth it would be hard to say He is some totally alien deity.

But Islam does not present that problem.  Their deity is not a personal God.  Kismet, fate, the impersonal, unknowable, remote god, more like the eternally distant Gnostic divinity at the end of infinite emanations.  It isn't just the absence of the Trinity that is the problem.  They worship a being that is truly alien to the person revealed in the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures.  It is more purely pasting a false label on their deity, which emerged from their idolatry, their worship of the black rock (an old meteor) in Mecca by bowing down to it from every point on the planet.  That IS their god, the one they worship with their bodies, and it has nothing in common with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, other than their claim of a label.  To say they and we worship the same God is to completely ignore reality.  It is not even a close question.

Peace,

SR

[Mark17]

We also 'get' the FACT that the phrase 'Mother of GOD' is NOT found in Scripture.

Have Catholics been taught they'll lose their salvation if they merely ADMIT this?

Well Mr Elder Statesman, 😄😃😀🙈🙊🙉 when I was a catholic, somewhere in the dateless past, I was told I would lose my salvation if I committed a mortal sin. Being as it was such a long time ago, that it is almost in ancient history, I do not recall specifically, if that was considered s mortal sin, but being as much RCC doctrine (not all) is based on that, I would think possibly it would be included in a long list of mortal sins. Me, on the other hand, I used to try to walk a fine line. I wanted to commit sins, but I only wanted to commit venial sins, so I wouldn't lose my salvation. You know, like I didn't want to commit sins so that I would go blind. I only wanted to commit sins till I needed glasses. 😀😄😃. Later on, I realized the thrill of committing venial sins was gone, and that I needed to commit mortal sins to get the thrill back, but by the time I needed glasses, from all my mortal sins, those wonderful people from the Navigators came along and told me things I had never heard before, like the truth maybe? I had so many unanswered questions, and they were able to answer them all. I guess my upbringing was terribly screwed up, but those nice guys in the Navigators, who were members of the only true church, bless their hearts, but they were able to answer all my unanswered questions, so I became a member of the only true church, the church of the Navigators. 😄😃😀😱😅🙀😎👍😂

[Iscool]

He had his son by his side.

He had his Son within him...And he within his Son...And they are both called Lord, as well as the Holy Spirit...

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.