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Mary's Virginity
In Plain Site ^ | Dan Corner

Posted on 04/07/2015 11:37:31 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

There is a good chance of that.


101 posted on 04/07/2015 4:45:30 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: JesusIsLord
"It was given to her what belongs to no creature, that in the flesh she should bring forth the Son of God...I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin...I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary...Christ ... was born of a most undefiled Virgin...The more the honor and love of Christ increases among men, so much the esteem and honor given to Mary should grow."

You're entitled to believe any man made fantasy you want but rejecting the simple, pure words of scripture will gain you no favors with God...

102 posted on 04/07/2015 4:46:25 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: terycarl
perhaps it is none of our business... I'll buy that one!!

You seem to be making it your business...

103 posted on 04/07/2015 4:59:48 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: terycarl
Her kid was God...how much more fruitful would you like her to be???

Jesus was only one kid...And he didn't have any...That's hardly multiplying...

104 posted on 04/07/2015 5:03:36 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: SpirituTuo
So, Marian doctrines go way, way back.

It makes not a lick of difference who taught or thought what...We have the words of God which tell us and you that they ALL are wrong...

105 posted on 04/07/2015 5:11:13 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: JesusIsLord
Well, not sure what you mean by, "...see Jesus as God but marginalize His humanity?" I see Jesus as fully God and fully Man. He is the "hypostatic union of the The/anthropic person". He is now glorified in heaven, seated at the right hand of the Father.

But, it seems that unless one is overly hooked on His mother...not Jesus Himself...that you seem concerned for them. But, Jesus saved His mother from her desperate sins, sins as dark as mine and yours. She is no more divine than any human and certainly felt at a point that her Son was not worth listening to (read the text). But, many Catholics hold her in way too much esteem. Examples:

Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION. Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To thee, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

Do you subscribe to these same views of Mary?

106 posted on 04/07/2015 5:19:25 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: terycarl

Abraham age 100 we don’t know if he was still able to work and provide for his family...

but he could sure still do what was necessary to make babies..

Look T no Viagra !!!


107 posted on 04/07/2015 5:22:29 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Iscool

And who compiled those words and when? The Bible, as we know it, was formed as volume around 400. Some of the Marian doctrines pre-date the canon, so ...?

The disciples who learned at the feet of the Apostles were teaching the Gospel before it was even written. Those teachings were recorded in letters, such as those between St. Irenaeus and St. Polycarp, both 1st century bishops and martyrs.

So, which do you believe, or do you believe both, neither?


108 posted on 04/07/2015 5:29:36 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo
And who compiled those words and when? The Bible, as we know it, was formed as volume around 400. Some of the Marian doctrines pre-date the canon, so ...?

Who cares about the year 400??? Christians were preaching and teaching the scriptures back in the 1st century...Hundred of years before your religion made a Catholic bible...Thousands upon thousand and maybe millions of people were being saved before anyone ever heard the word Catholic...

The disciples who learned at the feet of the Apostles were teaching the Gospel before it was even written. Those teachings were recorded in letters, such as those between St. Irenaeus and St. Polycarp, both 1st century bishops and martyrs.

Not a chance...PolyCarp had the scriptures in his possession...Iranaeus was not a first century anything...Lets deal with facts, not suppositions...

109 posted on 04/07/2015 6:31:07 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Jesus was only one kid...And he didn't have any...That's hardly multiplying..

Can you imagine being one of His younger brothers or sisters......WHY CAN'T YOU BE MORE LIKE YOUR BROTHER, or YOUR BROTHER NEVER TALKED BACK LIKE THAT, or YOUR BROTHER STARTED HIS OWN CHURCH AND YOU WANT TO BE A _________? (fill in the blank.)

110 posted on 04/07/2015 7:50:50 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Iscool
Jesus was only one kid...And he didn't have any...That's hardly multiplying

He created mankind...that's trillions.....that's MULTIPLYING!!!!!

111 posted on 04/07/2015 7:53:27 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Tennessee Nana
but he could sure still do what was necessary to make babies.. Look T no Viagra !!!

Some have ED some don't...I merely pointed out the possibility...see

112 posted on 04/07/2015 7:55:32 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
.Joseph was, as far as I know , MUCH older than Mary...perhaps he was beyond the age

There is absolutely nothing in Scripture to lead you to think that Joseph was in anyway significantly older than Mary, or a widower, or aged beyond the point of physical ability to procreate as God intended. Its religious speculation of the most egregious type.

Sometimes the most obvious answer IS the answer. They were both virgins, living under the Law and promised in marriage - hence the struggle inside Joseph over what to do with his pregnant promised spouse. According to the custom of the day, Joseph may have been slightly older, but nothing like what you are imagining.

You can assume lots of things about the Bible and create all sorts of myths and fables. That is why we have God's Word and the Holy Spirit, so we don't go down the rabbit hole.

God's Living Word demands a little more respect than the supermarket tabloids.

113 posted on 04/07/2015 8:21:33 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: terycarl
Some have ED some don't...I merely pointed out the possibility...see

I don't think Joseph had ED, but let's keep it clean now, ya hear?

:-)

Just pulling your chain, TC, cuz I can.

114 posted on 04/07/2015 8:36:43 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Why would Mary not fulfill all righteousness and be an example to the believers ???

Even the LORD Jesus Christ said that marriage included having sex...He never said except for my Mom..

 

 

 

 

1 Corinthians 7:5     English Standard Version (ESV)

Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time,

that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again,

so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

 

 

 

Joseph:  Mary; are you asleep?
Mary: You bozo; you KNOW I have to do my prayers.
 
Joseph:  I was just wondering if....
Mary: You hornytoad;  you KNOW I have had this HEADACHE for nigh unto these 12 years or so!
 
Joseph:  A fella can HOPE eternally; can't he?
Mary: Hope all you want; you ain't gettin' it:   I HAVE to remain a VIRGIN for my FOLLOWERS!!
 
Joseph:  What 'followers'?
Mary: The ones who will be bombarding me forEVER with their heartfelt requests!!!
 
Joseph:  I may as well be dead...
Mary: What did you just mumble?  I ain't DEAD; just FRIGID.  Now roll OVER and go to sleep. 
 
     ---     ---     ----
 
Mary: Son? are  You listening??   I've got a bunch more good, Catholic prayers for you to deal with.  Are you ready?
 

115 posted on 04/08/2015 4:05:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JesusIsLord
Without Nancy Hanks Lincoln, there would be no Abraham Lincoln.

And that's why HER statue is next to her son's; right??


116 posted on 04/08/2015 4:08:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
Why on Earth does Mary's sex life bother you so much???

Why on Earth does Mary's LACK OF A sex life OBSESS you so much???

117 posted on 04/08/2015 4:09:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
are you sure that it was a Catholic who brought up this asinine subject......

Heh heh HEH!

Someone said...

118 posted on 04/08/2015 4:10:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
Joseph was, as far as I know, MUCH older than Mary...

And just WHERE is the data that PROVES this?

119 posted on 04/08/2015 4:11:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
it was a fallen away Catholic who made a bad decision who brought up the subject.

Now that it's up; you wanna just wave it away?

120 posted on 04/08/2015 4:12:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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