Posted on 04/01/2015 6:08:55 PM PDT by ealgeone
For discussion purposes....
Pretend you own a bakery, or pizza place, et. The area in which you work is also one in which you live close by. You know your customers. You are a Christian.
A young man and woman are living together in the apartment above yours. You see them a couple of times a week and even say hello.
They come into your business and want to order a cake with the following inscription:
TWO YEARS TOGETHER
You know they're not married.
Do you bake the cake?
What say you Fellow Freepers
Danget, was that a trick question?
“Living together” is not the transgression that homosexual marriage is. That’s approaching abomination-time. The hetero couple can get legitimately married; two men cannot. Besides, putting the words “two years together” can mean anything. A wedding cake has only one meaning.
You're looking through God's eyes? I think not. I haven't seen God firebomb people for using their bodies the way He designed them, to populate the world according to His command. Did he not bless Adam and Eve for "living together"?
I enjoyed the question; thanks for posting. Ignore people who post 3 times to tell you they don’t like your question. Maroons!
I agree. Adultery was listed on the Ten Commandments and those caught in it were stoned. Sodomities were also stoned.
Then there is the New Testament. While Jesus certainly did not condone sin, He reached people where and who they were. There had to be homosexuals among those tax collectors, prostitutes, aduterers, thieves and other sinners He ate with. He was a builder/carpenter who KNEW the hearts of His customers do you think He told them to leave or did He use the contact to reach their souls?
That is correct in the New Testament. In the Old Testament child sacrifice was not forgiven (the nation of Israel).
I did too - thanks for posting it. And miss marmelstein, I wholly agreed with your posts 39 and 42.
Ignore people who post 3 times to tell you they don’t like your question. Maroons!
Bonus points awarded for the use of "maroon" on an FR thread!
If I do or don’t will be according to my conscience and not according to some nimrod’s idea of what I should be required to do.
As others have pointed out, I’m not anyone’s slave. I make my moral decisions for myself. Someone may or may not agree with my moral calculus but its mine to make.
Bake and take the money. It is a remote participation at best.
Great question...
Good hypothetical question.
It’s interesting to hear where people draw the line. But what’s more interesting is to discover they have no idea how a society gets to the point where they’re forced to draw one. (Many people skip over that part in Romans 1.)
oy vey. Go to the source. Read the Word of God, pray for His teaching.
We are not to have a hint of immorality in our homes. Do all to the glory of God. Watch soaps? nope. Murder mysteries? nope. Watch babes running on the beach almost naked? nope. “Romance” novels? nope.
Does a clothing designer or salesclerk worry whether the person buying the clothes is a homosexual? Is the man buying pants an adulterer?
Were there homosexuals in the crowds Jesus fed the fish and loaves? Probably. He died for those who would accept His sacrifice. Did He ever heal people who would reject Him as Savior? Probably.
The question with the cake is that those who bake them are blessing the union. Celebrating our being the bride of Christ. However, it is after all, just a cake. Are we allowed to eat a piece of wedding cake that is from a homosexual wedding? Are we allowed to eat meat sacrificed to idols? Are we allowed to sell the animal to someone who is going to sacrifice it to an idol? If I go to the synagogue of a strict Jewish sect, as a woman, where would I be? Not with the men. THAT is freedom of religion. Now. Is Sharia law permitted? Maybe that is why all this is going on...
No wonder Paul made tents, Peter caught fish, and Jesus was a carpenter. Were sinners in the tents? Did sinners eat the fish? Did sinners eat at the table? Probably.
Anyway. Posting these types of questions are good for ideas, not attacks, and I would suggest you read the Bible before posting. I Corinthians is good. I personally love the Old Testament law. Rule with a rod of iron. Pure Fatherly love. And no fences around your land. Ha!
For all of those who put any sin above or below another (besides unforgivable sin) 1 Cor 6
9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”
Drunks and homosexuals in the same sentence? Huh? And note, it is in His name and in the Spirit of our God alone that we are washed, sanctified, and justified. All glory to God.
That is not the problem that ignited this firestorm.
I agree, but from a Christian perspective....is living together any worse of a sin than homosexuality?
If you run a business any business you are going to serve or interact with sinners on a daily basis. We are all sinners. But that does not mean you are affirming anything.
If they come into my business and as drug addicts ask me to supply drugs I am going to refuse. If the ask me as alcoholics to provide alcohol and I going to say sorry not happening. If the come in to my business and ask me to participate and affirm a homosexual marriage I am going to say not happening ever...............
Then instead of a bakery he should open for business as one who takes individual commissions for cakes based upon approval.
“Freedom of association.”
That left town with the Civil Rights Act. If people want to stick to their guns on what they want to do and believe is right, let them. They will either prosper or wither away.
“No soup for you!”
Exactly! If the baker doesn’t want to serve left-handed people, or hazel-eyed people, or people of the astrological sign of Scorpio, he should be able to refuse. It would be silly of him, and few business owners would do such a thing. But if we are a free country, a private business owner must be able to turn down any customer for any reason.
Until now, that has never been necessary. Did the constitution change? Did right and wrong change? What changed?
That’s their business and it’s up to you whether you want their business or lose it.
I would probably bake the cake, but let them put their own inscription on it. But a wedding cake is usually much more than just baking the cake. Decorating wedding cakes is almost an art form for the very expensive ones. They require a lot of time and even creativity.
So if someone just wanted a basic round or sheet cake for their homosexual “wedding”, I would probably bake it for them, but would not decorate it. But if they wanted a whole three-tier extravaganza with the two grooms on the top, I would probably find my schedule too full...
I’m really seeing the down side of the civil rights act - which I supported at the time as a very young person. I now understand why Goldwater was against it.
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