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Do Catholics and Muslims worship the same God?
justforcatholics.org ^ | Dr Joseph Mizzi

Posted on 03/27/2015 1:04:17 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: CityCenter

Christianity didn’t come into being for 2,000 years after Abraham, but he still believed in the Messiah and it did happen. Muslims are Ishmaelites and they still fight against the whole world and the world still fights against them. Isiah was born of freedom and Ishmael was born of slavery. Sin is slavery and belief in Jesus Christ is freedom from the slavery of sin.


141 posted on 03/28/2015 9:59:23 PM PDT by mrobisr
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To: catbertz

What’s sad is you have to say “May God forgive me if I’m wrong somehow.” That really makes me sad that you have that little faith and/or knowledge of the teachings of Jesus to discern your Salvation from your religion. I will pray for your wisdom and discernment of truth.


142 posted on 03/28/2015 10:09:47 PM PDT by mrobisr
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To: terycarl

The Bible was brought to us by God from Genesis to Revelation. Your faith in your man made religion is the fruit of your deception.


143 posted on 03/28/2015 10:12:15 PM PDT by mrobisr
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To: ebb tide

Are you a sedevacantist?


144 posted on 03/29/2015 4:36:33 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: terycarl
>>Who the muslims worship is up to them and the Catholics get first choice!!!<<

The Catholic Church has already determined you serve the same god as they do.

145 posted on 03/29/2015 6:07:50 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: armydoc

No, Sir, I’m not.

I can just recognize bad popes and bad councils that are not in accord with Catholic Tradition. This is not the first time in the Church’s history that She has had bad popes. And VC II was purely a pastoral, not dogmatic, council.

“Unveiling a new work on the Second Vatican Council in Rome , Cardinal Walter Brandmuller, the retired president of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences, announced that Vatican II’s decrees on non-Christian religions (Nostra Aetate) and Religious Freedom (Dignitatas Humanae) “do not have a binding doctrinal content, so one can dialogue about them.””


146 posted on 03/29/2015 9:46:03 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: CynicalBear; Gamecock

The Catholic Church has determined no such thing:

““Unveiling a new work on the Second Vatican Council in Rome , Cardinal Walter Brandmuller, the retired president of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences, announced that Vatican II’s decrees on non-Christian religions (Nostra Aetate) and Religious Freedom (Dignitatas Humanae) “do not have a binding doctrinal content, so one can dialogue about them.””


147 posted on 03/29/2015 9:49:01 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

If CCC 841 is heretical, and if the Pope embraces it (he does, as have his predecessors), would that not make him a heretic?


148 posted on 03/29/2015 11:31:01 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc

Scary stuff, this... I’m serious.


149 posted on 03/29/2015 11:40:03 AM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: armydoc

Material, not formal.


150 posted on 03/29/2015 12:50:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Material, not formal

Meaning that you have determined that the Pope and the entire Magisterium are embracing heresy, albeit unknowingly. Meaning that you presume to have better spiritual discernment than the Pope and the entire Magisterium. I would suggest you ponder that for a while, Pope ebb tide.
151 posted on 03/29/2015 4:33:12 PM PDT by armydoc
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To: mrobisr

Islam did not exist until about 700 years after Christ. The people who descended for Ishmael did exist, but they were tribal nomadics, fighting with each other, and practiced no organized unifying religion. Ishmael and Islam are not the same thing even though some of the people in the religion may be related to Abraham and Hagar (as all Semitic people are). To make Judaism and Islam a kind of opposite equal is not correct. If anything, Islam attempts to subvert all the existing religions in the area to unite those people in war against what they see as their oppressers.


152 posted on 03/29/2015 5:06:31 PM PDT by CityCenter (Walker, Cruz in any order.)
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To: armydoc
Meaning that you have determined that the Pope and the entire Magisterium are embracing heresy, albeit unknowingly.

No. It means that you apparently can't tell the difference between a material heretic and a formal heretic.

I refer you back to post 134.

153 posted on 03/29/2015 5:31:40 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
In traditional Catholic theology, the term material heresy refers to an opinion that is objectively contradictory to the teachings of the Church, and as such heretical, but which is uttered by a person without the subjective knowledge of its being so. A person who holds a material heresy may therefore not be a "heretic" in the strict sense. Material heresy is distinguished from "formal heresy", i.e. a heretic opinion proposed deliberately by a person who is aware of its being against the doctrine of the Church.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_heresy

Appears to support my statement.
154 posted on 03/29/2015 6:40:03 PM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc

Wiki doesn’t doesn’t support anything. And your statement implied one material heretic can make an entire magisterium heretical. Silly nonsense.

You paint with quite a broad brush.


155 posted on 03/29/2015 7:11:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Double negative aside, are you merely impeaching the source or are you disagreeing with Wiki’s definition? Regarding the CCC, it is an “official” product of the Magisterium as a whole.


156 posted on 03/30/2015 3:38:20 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: ebb tide
>>“do not have a binding doctrinal content, so one can dialogue about them.”<<

LOL! So now you have to believe what the catechism says unless you don't? That's cute!

157 posted on 03/30/2015 6:42:15 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Gamecock

Posted two days ago and no reply.


158 posted on 03/30/2015 11:28:47 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

The silence is deafening.


159 posted on 03/30/2015 11:45:30 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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To: Gamecock
Allah is the anti-christ

Mohammed is the False Prophet

Islam is the Beast

160 posted on 03/30/2015 11:47:34 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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