Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

The Disciplers ^ | 2011 | Ptr. Vince

[Colofornian]

The laws of God are not arbitrary. Prayers are to God the Father in the name of Jesus only. So says Jesus Christ, whom will condemn you and cast you out at the last day for praying to anyone but His and our Father in Heaven.

Are you telling us that Stephen -- because He prayed DIRECTLY to Jesus and not God the Father -- is to "condemned" & "casted out" at the "last day"???

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen PRAYED, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59)

Or, since you buy into the Book of Mormon, were those Mormonite Nephite disciples who prayed directly unto the Mormon jesus likewise condemned?

They prayed to him in 3 Nephi 19:7...again in v. 18...again in v.24... Then they thought that wasn't enough direct prayer to Jesus. So "he came unto his disciples, and behold, they did still continue, without ceasing, to pray unto him." (3 Nephi 19:24)

And what? The Mormon Jesus condemned them for praying directly unto him? (No!) "And it came to pass that Jesus blessed them as they did pray unto him" (3 Nephi 19:25)

"And Jesus said unto them: Pray on; nevertheless they not cease to pray." (3 Nephi 19:26)

So what? You arbitrarily dismiss Acts 7:59 and 3 Nephi 19 just so you can claim what your Mormon leaders claim to be the "absolute" laws of God?

[Resettozero]

Not all of the books chosen by the council of men in 382AD is about the Messiah.

You need lasik surgery or an updated pair of glasses. You mean in Ruth, Song of Solomon; where and in which Book is He not present?

Please prayerfully re-examine those particular Books where you do not find Christ present in one way or another. Thanks. R2z

[Colofornian]

The Bible is a tool of learning. It doesn't contain everything we need, but it's useful.

Wow! Don't overwhelm us with your description of God's Word!

Hmmm...I wonder how many good textbooks this description fits?

ALL: Unlike Stormprepper's open dissing of the Bible: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(2 Tim. 3)

[Resettozero]

The Bible is a tool of learning. It doesn't contain everything we need, but it's useful.

"Useful" is an understatement in describing the Holy Bible!

What do you find lacking in it for a reader/hearer coming to a knowledge of the truth regarding and believing in Who Jesus of Nazareth really is.

[Resettozero]

You left out some words or added something that clouds my understanding of your post to me. It sounded angry but I’m still wanting to know in English what you meant to say to me.

[Colofornian]

Not all of the books chosen by the council of men in 382AD is about the Messiah.

Chosen? 382AD?

Not chosen...merely "received" it..."confirmed" that which the Holy Spirit already set apart, to the obvious discernment of early church fathers:

The early church fathers (97-180) quoted from 28 of the 29 New Testament books.
* In fact, EVERY New Testament book was referenced pre-150 except Philemon and 3 John.
* The 170 A.D. Muratorian Canon had only excluded Hebrews, James, and 3 John.
* Would it be possible to cull together the New Testament from what they wrote within 150-200 years from the time of Christ? (Answer? Yes...Well, yes, minus 11 verses)

The Holy Spirit...
...inspired the Bible...
...canonized the Bible;
...what greater authority do you need?

12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. ...15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” (John 16)

[NoCmpromiz]

The Holy Spirit...
...inspired the Bible...
...canonized the Bible;
...what greater authority do you need?

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None.

But some people think they have some golden plates miraculously translated by someone with their head in their hat.

Or was that ‘talking out of his hat’? I forget which...

[Iscool]

You had a priest who has gone off the reservation if he taught Mary had children. Glad there is some sanity in catholicisim somewhere.

And some honesty...

[Iscool]

Honoring the Virgin Mary, conceived without sin as the holy vessel who would give birth to Jesus our Savior, with the title of Mother of God, does not mean that she is thought a goddess. It’s an honorific.

And where do you see where Jesus or the apostles taught that any human was worthy of an honorific???

[Iscool]

It does seem that if Jesus had any brothers Jesus would not have asked John to take care of his mother.

It seems you are not considering the scriptures that likely contribute to that situation...

When Jesus went to the Cross his brothers and sisters were unbelievers...Would Jesus want his unbelieving siblings potentially preventing his mother from fellowshipping with believers???

Jesus did not put all that much credence in blood relationships...Note that he said that mothers would turn against fathers, children against parents, etc...

Jesus emphasized that his spiritual mothers and brothers and sisters were more valuable than blood relation...

And perhaps Jesus' male siblings were not old enough to care for his mother...

Jesus wanted his most cherished friend and spiritual brother to take care of his mother...And Jesus was moving away from the Jewish law and tradition...

[Iscool]

And Jesus never carried a Bible.

Maybe so... but he did say (a lot):

Jesus had every single word of the scriptures memorized...He didn't need a bible...

[Iscool]

No dear one, I meant why are people questioning the salvation of Catholics. That’s what these threads do.

Because they don't believe in being born again...They admit they are not saved (as in salvation) but hope to get saved someday, if they do enough good works...

We take them at their word and try to show them with scripture they have been taught wrong...

And worse yet, they submit post after post that what they teach is true and must be adhered to for anyone to have a chance at eternal life in heaven...And they don't even believe in heaven...It's a 'state' of mind...

[Iscool]

Ghandi didn’t know Jesus Christ...I wouldn’t take his advice...

[Iscool]

If you pray for me, then you are a mediator for me to Christ

You couldn't be more wrong...Intercessor, maybe...But definitely not a mediator...

[Resettozero]

But some people think they have some golden plates miraculously translated by someone with their head in their hat. Or was that ‘talking out of his hat’? I forget which...

Even more importantly, what do YOU think of the Holy Bible?

[painter]

I see that you're angry at me but really don't comprehend what you are trying to tell me. Please post your thought in other words.

I am not angry at you, and I'm sorry if you thing so.

You seem to have an some animus towards the Catholic Church. Don't be. We are working towards the same goal. Eternal Salivation. My witness was REAL and Profound and I have had some since then. Just not as great.

I believe we may be facing the end of times (How long I don't know) and fighting amongst ourselves is not productive when SO many people have NO religion at ALL.

[StormPrepper]

But some people think they have some golden plates

Yup!

I'm sorry, did you have a point to make?

[Colofornian]

But some people think they have some golden plates miraculously translated by someone with their head in their hat. Or was that ‘talking out of his hat’? I forget which...

Hmm...that does ring a bell.

(I think that's the same religion whereby those 'miraculously' unveiled golden plates were guided by a ghost named Moroni...for ONLY in that religion do you have the tenet that a resurrected man can advance to angel status...)

That's the irony. That religion pits the Bible vs. its other standard works...reducing it to a council of men who decided which books would be included...all while its main standard work for which they are nicknamed has even by their own admission LOTS of books left out...others "abridged"...and which books to be included on the "golden plates" was apparently decided by just one man about sixteen hundred years ago...IF we are to believe what they say)

[Georgia Girl 2]

Don’t forget the blood drinking. Oh and incense burning too. You know what the worst part is? We pass the offering plate twice. :-)

[painter]

You shared a beautiful thing with the wrong people but thank you for posting it. I enjoyed reading it.

Thank you :). It easy to preach to the choir. It is the others I'm to trying to inspire.