laimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
Right, but isn't "I think you are out of your mind" a personal attack? That's what I'm getting at. "I think you're out of your mind" and "You're out of your mind" ARE substantially the same.
Nevertheless, if "I think" is all it takes then I think I will be making my opinions known more often.
I didn’t think you’d get an answer.
The demeanor of the poster says more about his own confession than the post says about yours. When he is being rude or mean it drives people away from his confession and towards yours. That is of course if you can resist the urge to meet fire with fire.
You do and you have. It takes knowing Who Jesus really is...not guessing...not memorizing...knowing Him personally and being born of the Spirit as He told Nicodemus.
Some of you I don't think you Really know Jesus Christ. I know you guys except Seraphicaviary run around proclaiming you are "born again". BUT do YOU really know Him?
I had an experience 30yrs ago almost to the month. At that time I worked at a local factory and had a number of friends. Two of which where "born Again" Christians. there was times we talk about religion and Jesus Christ. Me being a Church going Catholic enjoyed the conservation and added to their viewpoints.
One day one of them gave me an invitation to their church for Sunday services. I said I appreciated his invitation, But I would be in church at that time and couldn't make it. Terry was the guy's name asked me what church? I told him St.Martins Catholic Church.
Then it began. I don't think they could deal with a Catholic who could talk about Christ in a religious conversation. Because the attacks against my Religion began. It has been awhile so I don't remember all the details. I just remember one day I was asked what I and my religion believed. I said we believed in Jesus Christ. He told me the demons in hell believed in Jesus Christ!
I was stunned then and now that someone would say that!
I need to say this at this point A few months earlier my father in law a "devout Catholic" that I was close to was killed in a traffic accident.
I was depressed I couldn't understand why would anyone attack my faith?
All I know that night when I went to bed something Wondrous happened.
When I was asleep I was transported to a place of Wondrous Bright White light! I could feel it. It was Love, that is what heaven is. While I stood there I felt someone's arm on my shoulder and I turned to my left and saw my dead father in law. He was not looking at me but straight ahead.
I turned and looked at was he was looking at.
Jesus Christ was there in front of me!! It is hard to describe the experience except His hands where to his sides outstretched and golden rays came from Them and hit me!
You can't imagine The LOVE I felt and experienced there. I haven't been the same since. I'm not some evangelist preaching across the country. I'm just some sinful guy working for salvation.
I do know I have a different outlook on life different from what you have.
I do know this, Stop attacking the Catholic church. We believe the way to Salvation is through Jesus Christ. Our biggest Mission is to Save the people who have NOTHING as for as ANY kind of Religion in their lives!!!
Mind-reading is NOT encouraged on these threads. I agree to the forum rules/limitations placed by FR on the Religion Forum.
...Mr. Rabble-rouser
#1 (I guess that puts some of us in good company then, doesn't it?)
* And they brought them to the magistrates, and said, “These men, being Jews, exceedingly trouble our city ; (Acts 16:20)
* they dragged Jason and some other believers before the city officials, shouting:“These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here... 8 When they heard this, the crowd and the city officials were thrown into turmoil (Acts 17:7-8)
#2 What? And no "rabble-rousing" from your quarters on this thread?
For example, generically accusing others of being "self-righteous" and "materialistic holier-than-thou ones" isn't itself a form of rabble-rousing? (ALL: see Detch post #9)
Is Jesus not referenced by John as being the (Living) Word?
My friend that was NOT Jesus..Satan comes as an angel of light.. Feelings are not reality..they are feelings ...
How did Jesus love those trapped in a false work based religion??
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luk 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Real love is not allowing people to wallow in false doctrine with a false Jesus ... Jesus never did that
Not are you wrong, But DAMN wrong!
Our greatest mission is to Save the people in this world who have Nothing a belief.
You shared a beautiful thing with the wrong people but thank you for posting it. I enjoyed reading it.
Fear not
This is one of the best posts on this thread. It captures the essence of it all. It's not "anti-catholic bigotry" -- it's pro-truth love. Tough love, but love.
Thanks RnMom.
Hoss
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