Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

The Disciplers ^ | 2011 | Ptr. Vince

[RnMomof7]

Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry

Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.

However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.

I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.

Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.

The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.

Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:

“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”

Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.

The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.

Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.

The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)

This is the statement coming from the third apparition:

“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“

The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.

“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“

Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.

This is quoted from the last (6^th) apparition

“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“

The flaw of the 6^th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.

The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.

Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.

Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13^th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13^th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13^{t h} bad luck and not placing 13^th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13^th.

Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.

The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.

[Elsie]

An anti-Mormon claiming the Book of Mormon failed.

A MORMON; skipping #795.

I'm not surprised at all!

[Elsie]

I’m being to see the resemblance between you and the last one mentioned.

[Iscool]

Can you elaborate on your use of the words "form"

I believe the elaboration of the simplistic scripture is sufficient enough for me...

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Apparently the Greek word for form is our basis for the word 'morph'...

μορφή
morphē
mor-fay'
Perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively nature: - form.

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

σχῆμα
schēma
skhay'-mah
From the alternate of G2192; a figure (as a mode or circumstance), that is, (by implication) external condition: - fashion.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

φανερόω
phaneroō
fan-er-o'-o
From G5318; to render apparent (literally or figuratively): - appear, manifestly declare, (make) manifest (forth), shew (self).

"learn", and "understand"?

Perhaps I should have used the word 'experience'...To experience temptation...

[Iscool]

:)

[Resettozero]

Thank you for the upbraiding. I’ll consider it’s veracity and worth.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[StormPrepper]

Why are you a Mormon?

Is this rhetorical or would you like an answer?

[NoCmpromiz]

As a point of personal information could you explain how my comment that was removed was any more personal than, say, #738?

[rwa265]

You were dancing around yesterday saying the same things over and over and I indicated I didn’t want to stay any longer at your dance.

And here you are doing the Johnny-One-Note two-step again.

Do you think you’re fooling someone?

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What is it with you, man?

I sent you post 606 because you asked: “How many more times do you want to dance this same dance?”

I responded: “When it can be shown where Scripture contradicts the following verses that clearly support the concept that Mary was the mother of God incarnate.”

Instead of showing me where Scripture contradicts those verses, you decided to “walk home.”

I do not think I am fooling anyone. I am just trying to understand how it can be denied that these verses clearly show that the child that Mary conceived and brought forth is God, making her the mother of God.

In the same way, af_vet is not asking a trick question. He is simply asking if you agree with what scripture says in Matthew 1:18-23. These verses support the doctrine that Mary is the mother of God because “she shall bring forth a son” “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

Similarly, Luke 1:26-35 supports the doctrine that Mary is the mother of God because “that holy thing which shall be born of” her “shall be called the Son of God.”

Luke 1:39-45, Luke 2:4-12, Luke 2:25-35, and Matthew 2:1-15 support the doctrine in the same way.

Before sending this, I will give my answer to your question, why is this matter important to me.

Day after day on this forum, Catholics are bashed for not following Scripture. Frequently, we are asked “Where does it say in Scripture” when it is well known that Catholic doctrine is based on Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. For the doctrine of Mary being the mother of God, though, we have shown “where it says in Scripture.” Rather than acknowledging this truth or explaining why it is not so, Catholic bashers simply do not address the Scriptures that are provided. Instead they just say “Mary is not the mother of God” without giving any specifics why the referenced Scriptures are being wrongly interpreted. When asked to show where Scripture says “Mary is not the mother of God,” there is no response. This is why it matters to me.

Now, instead of hurling insults or griping about Catholic doctrine, can you try to give an honest response why you do not think the referenced Scriptures show that Mary is the mother of God?

[Resettozero]

Now, instead of hurling insults or griping about Catholic doctrine, can you try to give an honest response why you do not think the referenced Scriptures show that Mary is the mother of God?

Because the Holy Spirit did not lead the writers of the Scripture to say what you extrapolate from Scripture, as you have been informed repeatedly by me and other FReepers as well.

Even the concept that Mary is the mother of God is not taught anywhere in the Bible. It is a belief propounded mainly by Roman Catholics, among other sects.

It is not Scriptural. Scripture does not record the words or the idea that Mary is the mother of God. In fact, this notion is blasphemous.

[DJ MacWoW]

Scripture does not record the words or the idea that Mary is the mother of God. In fact, this notion is blasphemous.

There's an overused word.

Definition: Blasphemy is the act of showing contempt, insulting, or expressing a lack of reverence for God; the act of claiming the attributes of deity; defiant irreverence toward something considered sacred.

About Religion:blasphemy

[Resettozero]

The thing is I was raised a Southern Baptist. And very much an anti-Mormon. I was raised to hate Mormons.

I was raised an Independent Baptist. But my family was not anti-Mormon or anti-Catholic and as a youth, I thought those were merely other denominations of Christian churches such as Methodist. Now, I realize how naive I was then.

There is no personal animosity toward anyone posting on this board. But I despise liars, especially the subtle crafty ones who pretend to be stupid when they are not. And the workers of evil who think they hide in plain sight yet are seen plainly by those who have eyes to see.

That's why I love the Truth that I discovered mid-way through life: Jesus is the Christ, THE LORD, the Son of the living God, my Savior from my sin-debt and from the second death in the Lake of Fire.

He is much more than this but my point is that what I was taught as a child took root later and after wandering and goofing around, the seeds planted sprouted when and after I was confronted with the seriousness of my relationship with God the Father and what it means to my remaining time on planet Earth, what to do with that time, and the impact my decision would make on my eternal soul.

The Holy Bible, the Scriptures I mention...these speak of The Lord Jesus Christ from start to end. I consider the Bible to be the written Word of God, which will never pass away. If what I am told or shown doesn't align with that which IS written in Scripture, I either set it aside for consideration later or discard it.

Too often, good threads on FR RF degenerate into "Yes it is", "No it isn't" like we're defending our favorite religious team in some sort of religious Final Four. I regret my part in the degeneration of those good FR threads.

[NoCmpromiz]

Just a curiosity question...

Do you think ‘regret’ is the same as ‘repent’?

I mean, over the years I have regretted a lot of things I’ve done and said.

But I did them again.

[DJ MacWoW]

Regret and repent are two different things. Although some do repent and backslide. It happens. Regret doesn’t include God in the equation but repent does.

[NoCmpromiz]

Regret doesn’t include God in the equation but repent does.

Yeah..

Some who have been to semetary, er, seminary will say that repentence is "μετάνοια" - metanoia..

Literally translated it means "change the mind". In its usage in the Koine of the New Testament it means a change in the trend and action of the whole inner nature, intellectual, affectional and moral. (This as opposed to classical Greek use that implied only a change of mind - "I was going to have the escargot, but I changed my mind, I'll have the Filet Mignon instead"..) In the Biblical usage it presumes a change in mind, heart, and life wrought by the Spirit of God.

Mere regret gives you the wiggle room to repeat the action that you regret, a concept that most 'regretters' take advantage of. Usually shortly after regretting...

Nutshell Greek lesson. There are those who argue that 'repent' is a mistranslation of the Greek. But good ol' King Jimmy renders it such and we know they are never wrong...

My interlinear Greek-English NT is not as heavy as some others 97 pound King Jimmy Scofields and thus is not too useful for beating someone into submission with...

[DJ MacWoW]

Speaking of King Jimmy, his order to translate the Bible was an act of repentance for allowing his mother, Mary Stuart, to be beheaded so he could be King. It was a nice idea to give the “common man” access to God’s word. Too bad most of them couldn’t read. Soooooooooo, the KJV was an act of repentance.

[NoCmpromiz]

You’re sure that wasn’t regret?

Did his life, morals, and character change?

[DJ MacWoW]

Nope. As soon as Elizabeth was dead he hotfooted it to London and never went back to Scotland. Not an ounce of regret..........or real repentance.