laimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
It is amazing the lengths to which the maternity of Mary is denied.
You say “Mary was the mother to Jesus’ human body which contained Jesus’ soul and spirit...She was not the mother of his divinity...”
Do you really want to go there? That God was not the soul or spirit of Jesus? How did that work, then? What part of Jesus was His divinity?
You say “If Mary was the mother of God, that would make her God’s mother...And that is flat out ridiculous ... God’s divinity wasn’t even manifest in Jesus til he was 30 years old...”
You may consider it ridiculous to consider Mary as God’s mother, but it is what Scripture tells us. While Jesus did not display His divinity until He was 30, He was made divine at His conception. This was made known to Joseph in Matthew 1:20 when the angel of the Lord told him that is was through the Holy Spirit that the child was conceived in Mary. It was also made known to Mary in Luke 1:31, 35 when the angel Gabriel told her that she will conceive and bear a son who will be called Son of the Most High, and this will come to be by the holy Spirit coming upon her, and the power of the Most High will overshadowing her.
You say “Other than recognizing that Mary was blessed because God chose her to be the mother of Jesus there’s not a single thing in the scriptures that leads us to believe that Mary had any role in the ministry of Jesus other than providing a body for Jesus to grow in and be born from...”
It is true that Mary’s role was to provide a body for Jesus to grow in and be born from. This is exactly what makes a woman a mother, giving birth to a child. And given that the child that was born of Mary was divine at her conception, that makes Mary the mother of the child that was born to her in His humanity and in His divinity.
You say “You guys have turned Mary into a goddess which is proven by all the statues you have made of her...You make ‘altars’ to this goddess and place her statues on top of the altars and bow down and worship (pray to) her...”
I won’t argue this point. While some of your disagreements are based on misperceptions, I respect that you guys have some beliefs that differ from Catholic teaching.
You say “Mary is not God’s mother...”
Scripture clearly shows us that the child that Mary conceived and brought into the world was God. This alone makes Mary the mother of God. Not that she had any other role in the ministry of Jesus, just “providing the body for Jesus to grow in and be born from...”
The angel did not tell Joseph “don’t go calling Mary the mother of God.” Gabriel did not tell Mary, “don’t go thinking of yourself as the mother of God. I have not seen anything in Scripture that says we are not to call Mary the mother of God. Have you?
I knew you would catch that. I meant to write:
The phrase “Mother of God” is not in the Scriptures.
But neither is the phrase “Mary is not the mother of God” in the Scriptures.
Where is the like button? :-)
ROFLOL!! The Jesus of Mormonism isn’t the Jesus of scripture. The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of scripture.
You never did answer the question of why this point of order is so important to you.
But there seems to be a compulsion to intimidate other FReepers to agree with your assessment of the status of Mary the mother of Jesus.
Why does this matter in regards to one’s salvation from sin and the second death?
It's not my "opinion". It's the word of God that declares who Jesus is. Mormonism declares something different for the Jesus they claim.
I should have said we have a heresy, not a heretic. I apologize for letting myself go in the heat of the moment.
That is Spiritually Impossible. To start with what I Experienced was intense Love that was off the charts. That is what God is, God is Love. The Golden rays that hit me I know now was the Holy Spirit. Since then I have been able understand people and a lot of time what going on in their hearts.
Satan rejected Gods love and Authority and cast along with his followers out of Heaven and into hell. Satan is pure hate and anger and very cold darkness. I was taught Satan knows the Bible better than anyone and he (devil)uses it to pollute the minds of unsuspecting people.
If you want to carry on this conversation Freep mail me. :)
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