Will there be a rapture?

Unsealed.org ^ | 3/12/15 | Gary

[LambSlave]

I adamantly disagree that Jesus or the disciples ever acknowledged the notion a pre-tribulational collection of all believers, and every group of Christians until John Darby saw things the same way.

[G Larry]

Rapture is an invention of the1800’s.

Nobody pretended to interpret that concept from Scripture prior to that time.

[savedbygrace]

There are two periods of time in the Bible that relate to this subject.

1) The Tribulation (of the saints)

2) The Wrath of God (on those who refuse to believe God)

The catching away of the church and the return of Yeshua, will occur between those two periods of time.

[needmorePaine]

I refuse to believe humans have God figured out.

Well, we do have the power of discernment. We are imperfect, but we still have the ability.


As for the hour of His return, we will not know the day or the hour.

[ryan71]

Welcome and how did you learn about FR?

[cuban leaf]

I refuse to believe humans have God figured out.

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“Now we see as through a glass darkly, but then face to face.”

This is why ANYONE who says their interpretation of scripture on ANY subject in the bible is THE correct one (with the exception of the thing symbolized by communion) is demonstrating that they don’t know what they don’t know.

I talked to a guy with a doctorate in theology a few weeks ago and he said something interesting. He said that regarding teachings of Christianity (other than its foundational teaching), the more vehemently a person argues that theirs is the correct interpretation and yours is absolutely wrong, the less they probably know, and the more likely it is they are just parroting what someone has told them.

I notice it in evolution discussions. The scientists actually studying evolution are not the ones beating you over the head with a copy of Darwin’s infamous tome.

[DungeonMaster]

John Darby!

[LambSlave]

What happened to the apostles? How many of them suffered horribly, to the death? How about the tens of thousands of Christians executed by the Romans? The Communists? The “God’s wrath is different” argument holds no water; it is patently unproveable since God has never poured His wrath upon the world since Jesus’ resurrection. We do know that when He was going to pour it out on Sodom and Gomorrah, He was perfectly okay with destroying all the godly people there along with the wicked; He was only persuaded by the multiple petitions on behalf of the godly by Abraham to refrain from destroying the godly, allowing Lot and his family to escape.

[CynicalBear]

>>I adamantly disagree<<

You can disagree with whatever you want. The truth is that scripture teaches the removal of the ekklesia of Christ prior to the last seven years. The age of the Gentiles ends and the last seven years of the 490 promised to Israel begins. It's why the people of the nation of Israel are now being gathered back to the land they were promised.

[DungeonMaster]

John 17:2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Christians, by definition and election, "know God".

[Big Red Badger]

Rapture,,
it could happen.
I think making it a keystone in You’re belief system is a mistake.

Study .

[b4its2late]

One of these days, yes.

Welcome to FR!

[PieterCasparzen]

If the Bible clearly taught this, you would not need to post this thread to convince anyone.

[Alex Murphy]

I refuse to believe humans have God figured out.

FR thread:
Evangelical scholars solve Book of Revelation's mysteries

[ItsOurTimeNow]

>>The perousia.<<

Yep...that’s the way I’ve always understood it. A singular event.

[Old Sarge]

Excellent points, thank you!

[Salvation]

amessenger4god

Since Mar 12, 2015

[Salvation]

No

[PieterCasparzen]

You can disagree with whatever you want. The truth is that scripture teaches the removal of the ekklesia of Christ prior to the last seven years. The age of the Gentiles ends and the last seven years of the 490 promised to Israel begins. It's why the people of the nation of Israel are now being gathered back to the land they were promised.

If this was clearly taught in the Bible it would be easy to demonstrate it to believers who knew their Bibles.

The Bible does teach, however, that it is folly to try to calculate the year of Christ's return.

[ShadowAce]

How many of them suffered horribly, to the death?

None of them--at the hands of God. The Great Tribulation will be by the Hand of God--not by sinners.

That being said, I don't believe that the church is mentioned after chapter 3 in Revelation. Israel, yes, but not the church.