[ShadowAce]

How many of them suffered horribly, to the death?

None of them--at the hands of God. The Great Tribulation will be by the Hand of God--not by sinners.

That being said, I don't believe that the church is mentioned after chapter 3 in Revelation. Israel, yes, but not the church.

[cuban leaf]

I see the “great tribulation” as actually two 3.5 year periods. The first is the “tribulation”, in which the antichrist comes to power and makes life all around miserable for Christians. I see it as a sort of “wrath of satan”.

And then the rapture after the sealing of the 144k.

And then the 3.5 year “wrath of God” on who is on the planet. There will be no salvation for them beyond the 144k. Though, as I think about it, maybe they will minister to the rest of the Jews...never mind. I’ll have to dig into that. It just popped into my head...

[Iscool]

How many of them suffered horribly, to the death?

None of them--at the hands of God. The Great Tribulation will be by the Hand of God--not by sinners.

That is soooo lost on the Rapture deniers...Why would and where does it say God will torture and murder his own children, his church???