Posted on 02/28/2015 2:38:16 PM PST by SkyPilot
It’s more like it’s an idea that was interesting for a while, and then everyone smartened up and dropped it ... :-) ...
Basically a bookstore is not going to stock stuff very long that doesn’t sell. No need for Grand Conspiracy Theories.
LOL It does that!
Some people can’t think without having a flow chart in front of them ...
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Yes, the phrase that the pre-tribbers try to use to tell us that we cannot know the day was really Yeshua’s way of telling us exactly what day the resurrection will be.
With all of Paul’s effort to tell the Corinthians and the Thessalonians that the Man of Sin must come first, one wouldn’t expect anyone to buy into the pre-trib scam.
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I personally favor the pre trib rapture for a lot of reasons, but it is not a salvation issue. If I am stuck here during the tribulation I will rely on Christ as I ever do. My ark of safety is Christ whether He shelters me away from the storm or through the storm.....
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The correct term is Replacementarianism.
But it has absolutely nothing to do with the First Resurrection. It was a cover for Constantine’s holocaust against all that kept Yehova’s commandments.
His empire could not have stood for long if believers were not sent into hiding.
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LCMS here and strongly pre trib. I do not find the pre trib position harmful but rather very comforting and enlightening to a lot of scripture I had not previously understood.
There are may different eschatalogic positions, and none lead to error or rabbit trails more than any other. We will never be sure until the events occur which is correct, but I am excitedly awaiting the return of my Savior.
Maranatha
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The only ‘fact’ there is to the pre-trib rapture is that it is a scam endorsed by Satan.
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Every word in this article is smoke and straw.
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But the “departure” most surely will happen. Paul could not have made it any plainer.
Our citizenship is in Heaven. We are merely Ambassadors and God will call us home with his Trumpet before he pours out his wrath on mankind.
Yep. The biggest point by critics is not even directly addressed. Never in the two thousand year history of the church did a group of believers adopt the notion of a pre-tribulation Rapture as part of their theology. When critics point out that it was invented by MacDonald in the 1830's, that is what they mean-- she and Darby were the ones who created the first group of believers who adopted this as doctrine, the first Rapture cult. It rapidly spread throughout some branches of Protestantism, but is still completely unknown to others, to Catholicism, and to the Orthodox church.
Wait, maybe I’ve misunderstood something. It seems confusing for you to say you are “awaiting the return of your Savior” if in fact you believe you will be spirited away before he returns.
What does your LCMS pastor say about your pre-millennial beliefs?
I view this topic as more important than almost any other. Certainly more important than which side of the bed Sen Ted Cruz woke up on today, which people here will comment on endlessly.
Moreover, I do see this as "argument", which implies childish or immature bickering, but rather a mature discussion of something that was so important, God put it in His Scriptures.
I only know that if I feel myself lifting up I’m going to let go. The other thing I know is that this rapture does not really change anything about my trust in Jesus and his promises.
I have also noticed that.
You point by point rebuttal is very impressive.
But I see it as much more simple that that.
1. Are you truly saved by Jesus Christ? Yes....No
If "yes", He is coming for you, and as He said He would.
Christ referred to the Church as his bride. Is that what you do with brides? Make them suffer wrath, pain, and suffering? Why would you do that to your own bride?
“With all of Paul’s effort to tell the Corinthians and the Thessalonians that the Man of Sin must come first”
Preceded by a “falling away” Greek - “departure’. The Church at the time were fearful that they had been left behind, so Paul told the Church not to be shaken or troubled, since there would be a falling away first, and the man of sin would not be revealed until the “day of the Lord.” The “tribulation” is what they should not be “troubled” about since “the day of Christ” is at hand. Having to go through the tribulation on the other hand would be very troubling.
Revelation is God's wrath, His final wrath. We are not under God's wrath....yet. This is the Age of Grace.
Revelation clearly states that many come to Christ during the Tribulation. That, in fact, is part of God's goal. Also, the 144,000 are sealed. Those who take the mark of the beast suffer much worse than those who do not, who are divinely protected. God takes care of the Jews in the wilderness who flee, just as he supernaturally took care of them in Exodus.
But the Church is never mentioned after the opening chapters of Revelation. The Tribulation and Great Tribulation (that occurs during the latter half and then the last 30 days) does not mention the Church. That is because they are with the Lord and taken out beforehand.
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