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The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Self ^ | 1-28-15 | Stingray

Posted on 01/28/2015 7:00:21 AM PST by Stingray

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To: CynicalBear

“Revelation was written around 96AD...”

It was written no later than 68 AD, but that will be an argument for another time.


41 posted on 01/28/2015 8:22:59 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
Do you even know the subject of 2 Peter? He was writing it to address the very heresy you are espousing today--that Christ isn't coming back.

Your beliefs are not new, nor are they remotely acceptable to the original Apostles.

42 posted on 01/28/2015 8:24:04 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CynicalBear

“It says that all things will be fulfilled. It doesn’t say they have already been fulfilled.”

To the writers of the New Testament, the coming of Christ in judgment hadn’t happened yet. The Temple was still standing. When Luke writes “will be fulfilled” he does so knowing that it hasn’t happened yet, but expecting it to happen in his lifetime.

What was future to them is past to us.


43 posted on 01/28/2015 8:29:19 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: ShadowAce

“Do you even know the subject of 2 Peter? He was writing it to address the very heresy you are espousing today—that Christ isn’t coming back.

Your beliefs are not new, nor are they remotely acceptable to the original Apostles.”

And why do you think he was writing to the churches he planted about scoffers in his day???

Because he had told them Christ was coming SOON, and didn’t want them to be mislead!

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 2 Peter 3:3-4 (NASB)

Peter also wrote this to those people in Asia and Europe:

The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (NASB)

Now, why would he warn them about scoffers saying, “where is Christ” if he also hadn’t already told them that Christ was coming soon?

And if he was coming soon for them, it means nothing to say he’s coming soon for us. It’s an utterly and completely meaningless statement given what the apostles actually wrote!


44 posted on 01/28/2015 8:37:08 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

“Your beliefs are not new, nor are they remotely acceptable to the original Apostles.”

You’re right: they are not new. But you’re wrong: my view comes from the apostles, hence the term “apostolic eschatology.”


45 posted on 01/28/2015 8:39:35 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: CynicalBear

“I thought you said that what John wrote we hyperbole? Now you say parts are not? Who decides which are and which are not?”

Context and precedent. You should try them.


46 posted on 01/28/2015 8:41:00 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
>>What was future to them is past to us.<<

Only in the fictional fantasy world of Preterists. You still haven't answered my question about where is the new heaven and the new earth.

47 posted on 01/28/2015 8:41:39 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Stingray
Famine, Pestilence, Destruction and Death are only aliases. The real names of the Four Horsemen are Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden.
48 posted on 01/28/2015 8:43:16 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Stingray
So--Peter wasn't speaking hyperbolically? Who gets to make that decision? You? You're an expert in Greek and its word usage/concepts?

At least be consistent.

49 posted on 01/28/2015 8:44:49 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CynicalBear

“Preterists have a huge problem with most of scripture and much of history. All of which proves them in error.”

I’ve demonstrated my scholarship on the issue with my very first post that started this thread. Futurists, on the other hand, seem to excel at chest-thumping and fist-pumping for little or no reason at all. It’s certainly not warranted by the amount of “thought” you’ve displayed in your posts, CB.


50 posted on 01/28/2015 8:45:17 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
>>It was written no later than 68 AD, but that will be an argument for another time.<<

Nero was still in power in 68AD. Show where he EVER exiled people to Patmos.

51 posted on 01/28/2015 8:46:31 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Stingray

When did the Euphrates dry up?


52 posted on 01/28/2015 8:47:40 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CynicalBear

“You still haven’t answered my question about where is the new heaven and the new earth.”

“What a pathetic “new heaven and a new earth” Preterists think God constructed.”

First of all, it wasn’t a question. Secondly, it was beneath my dignity to address it.

It’s clear you’ve come here to argue. Some would call it “trolling.” Troll somewhere else. You’re bringing down the signal-to-noise ratio in the room.


53 posted on 01/28/2015 8:49:15 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

Bookmarked for later. Sleep is calling.


54 posted on 01/28/2015 8:54:43 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
>>And yet His “new heaven and new earth” has been here since 70 AD.<<

Bwahahahahaha! And the wolf is dwelling with the lambs!!! And the leapard is laying down with the lamb!! And lion and the calf are frolicking in the grass!! Right? And all the nations have beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. And there are no nations fighting other nations!!! Wow!

Where is this la la land you speak of?

55 posted on 01/28/2015 8:57:09 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Stingray

Defend you position with scripture and not by personal attacks.


56 posted on 01/28/2015 8:59:10 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Stingray; CynicalBear; ShadowAce; Alex Murphy
Matthew 24 (KJV)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

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Isaiah 17:1 (KJV) The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.


When Damascus is completely destroyed, which it has never been in the history of mankind, and the possibility of Roman troops destroying all flesh (and they were made of flesh, by the way) becomes real via time machine or whatever, I will gladly become Preterist.
57 posted on 01/28/2015 9:40:05 AM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: angryoldfatman; Stingray; ShadowAce; Alex Murphy

Preterists do have some scripture to ignore, allegorize, or simply dismiss as “hyperbole” don’t they. They also have some history to rewrite.


58 posted on 01/28/2015 9:50:57 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: angryoldfatman
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished." - Matthew 24:34
59 posted on 01/28/2015 10:54:50 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Stingray

I’m not a preterist...I just won’t argue the points with you anymore.


60 posted on 01/28/2015 1:53:57 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("trapped by hyenas, Bill had as much life expectancy as a glass table at a UVA Frat house party!/s)
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