Posted on 01/28/2015 7:00:21 AM PST by Stingray
What is old is new again.
Prophecy often has dual fulfillment.
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They don’t have to be men. Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and Hillary Clinton fit the description quite well.
The rider on the white horse is Christ's apostles, sent out as a conquering force to change the world.
The rider of the red horse with the large sword represents those who persecuted, to death, Christ's messengers...whom does Christ name as the persecutors of the rider of the white horse? Jerusalem
The rider on the black horse is famine: the famine that was caused within Jerusalem after the Romans had sealed the people inside the city
Jerusalem, torn by civil war within its walls and the siege of Rome's legions without, saw thousands upon thousands of its citizens die by way of war and famine. And this is precisely what the pale horse's rider symbolizes...."a pale horse, and he who is sitting upon him--his name is Death"
PFL
Ah yes, Preterism lives. And Christ set up His Kingdom on earth where all would come to worship Him when?
“And Christ set up His Kingdom on earth...”
Well, see, that’s just it: His kingdom is not of this world. He made that clear, too. But that which is His kingdom here on earth is His church, and we are His temple.
“Prophecy often has dual fulfillment.”
Even if that were true, it’s not so in this case. Luke said the destruction of Jerusalem would fulfill “all that was written.”
The first 7 chapters of Revelation are about the persecution of the apostles and their churches. Chapters 8-20 are about the judgment and fall of Jerusalem. The “New Jerusalem” coming down from heaven is Christ’s church. Yeah, that’s us: Jews and Gentiles who believe in and follow Christ.
There is nothing left to be fulfilled because God’s plan for the redemption of mankind is complete.
Where is that?
I think that the identity of the last three of the horsemen is generally acknowledged as the sword, famine and pestilence - the three agents of God’s wrath mentioned many times in OT prophecy. The is much conflict as to the identity of the first, white, horse. Some say it’s Jesus, some say its the anti-christ, and some, like here, say it’s Jesus’ Gospel being preached to the world.
And where exactly do you find that in scripture? Hint. It's not there. In Christ's kingdom Satan is bound or in hell. Scripture says Satan is the ruler of this age.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
2 Corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;
Yet you claim that Christ's kingdom is the church and that no one in the church is tempted by Satan because in Christ's kingdom Satan is chained and has no power?
Are you living in some fantasy world?
“The New Jerusalem is measured as 1500 miles on a side. Where is that?”
If I were to try to impress upon you the all-encompassing vastness of Christ’s kingdom, I could say that it’s like a city that’s 1,500 miles wide, 1,500 miles long, and 1,500 miles high: something so large it would boggle the mind.
That’s exactly what John did. He was writing hyperbole, not literally.
If you study the fall of Jerusalem and later of Rome, you see a lot of Revelation in it.
I would say it was world wide. I wouldn't limit it to a number that could be misinterpreted.
Since he did not say that, and since he was writing what he saw, we must conclude it will be a real city, with real dimensions.
“Scripture says Satan is the ruler of this age.”
Paul wrote that in the interregnum: the period between Christ’s resurrection and His judgment upon Jerusalem.
If all things written were fulfilled at that judgment, as Luke wrote, then Christ rules in this age, not Satan.
Christ rules in His church. Paul wrote that Christ is the head of His church. Head = ruler.
And please, let’s keep John’s words in context. He also wrote that they were living “in the last hour.” If they were living in the last hour, we cannot also be living in the last hour.
I disagree.
Sure, the Book of Revelation described events that happened long ago.
However, modern society seems to be hell-bent on recreating the situation and having it happen AGAIN, but on a global scale.
“He did not say it was like a city 1500 miles wide. He said it was a city 1500 miles wide.”
And as I “said”, he was writing hyperbole. It’s no different than saying, “That truck is a monster!” Really? Is it literally a “monster?”
No. And neither is Christ’s kingdom bound by city borders 1,500 miles on each side. John was using a figure of speech. Understand?
Numbers in the Bible are largely symbolic. That’s why you see the same ones over and over.
If you take them as strictly literal, you miss the message being given.
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