Posted on 01/28/2015 7:00:21 AM PST by Stingray
Have you seen any of Walid Shoebat’s lectures on Revelation and the current Middle East? Pretty interesting.
What a pathetic "new heaven and a new earth" Preterists think God constructed.
“However, modern society seems to be hell-bent on recreating the situation and having it happen AGAIN, but on a global scale.”
And I would argue it’s precisely because false teachers - in both Christendom and Islam - have convinced enough people that these apocalyptic passages are for today, that people are trying to make these prophecies self-fulfilling.
It’s no secret that Iran wants nukes to start a war that will usher in the coming of their 12th Imam. And is there any impetus on the part of Christians to stop such a war believing that Armageddon will bring Christ back to earth???
Both are wrong. Both have been deceived. And it’s time to stop this before it’s too late.
You also miss the message if you take them as strictly symbolic. They are both.
Black horse - Capitalism
Red horse - Communism
Pale(green)horse - Islam
White horse - Christianity (Roman Church)
The pale horse of revelations is translated from the Greek word “chloros” which is translated in a couple of other places in the bible as green.
I believe there could quite possibly be dual fulfillment. God’s pretty darn big.
That statement makes no sense in light of your beliefs.
Too late for what? Aren't we in Christ's Kingdom now? Does He not control everything in it? Isn't Satan bound in hell? Haven't we gone through our Judgments?
And--most important--Isn't there "On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." ?? (Rev. 22:2)
What do we have to fear? The nations will be healed.
“What a pathetic “new heaven and a new earth” Preterists think God constructed.”
And yet His “new heaven and new earth” has been here since 70 AD. It’s called “His Body” and we are His temple. Not my words, Paul’s.
BTW you know there were no miles in that day so it can’t be 150 miles.
It was 12,000 furlongs. The number 12 is significant but the number 150 is not.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
The white horse I think symbolizes Antichrist and it’s attending man centered philosophies(or the various social type “isms”), such as progressive socialism and hedonistic Utopianism, that seek to peal men away from God to serve a man centered state....which in turn leads to war, famine and pestilence. When people are stripped of their basic moral moorings, societies eventually become tyrannical, then implode in their inability to negotiate the fiscal, legal, and security demands placed upon that society. External enemies may view such societies as ripe for the picking...such as how Islamic Jihadis may view western nations at this time. The white horse symbolizes the attempt to forcibly build a “new world government” by force and by the use of a syncretized civil religion with Satan at the back of it all.
Civil wars result, famine and disease become rampant as persons of competence who could ameliorate the conditions are killed off by the political agencies of the dying regimes, by disease or strife, or they have gone into hiding and are missing. The 4 horsemen depict a dark vision of the future of humans being brought to the very end of ourselves and our vain attempts to make ourselves into “gods”. Only by Christ intervening will save what ever life is left upon the Earth at that time.
I know that. The number given translates to our modern equivalent of about 1500 miles--not 150 miles.
Wanna see something creepy? A video during the violent muzzie uprising in Egypt and what appears to be a spirit horse and rider....a green horse and rider.
Take a look.
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/spirits-in-the-streets-of-cairo-egypt/o4LLMwa-F2VCQVOAQNZ7bQ
“That statement makes no sense in light of your beliefs.
Too late for what? Aren’t we in Christ’s Kingdom now? Does He not control everything in it? Isn’t Satan bound in hell? Haven’t we gone through our Judgments?
And—most important—Isn’t there “On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.” ?? (Rev. 22:2)
What do we have to fear? The nations will be healed.”
I’m sorry, but you seem to regard ignorance as a virtue. Christ isn’t coming back to earth. Those who believe in Him are here to proclaim His gospel and make the world a better place to live. We - His church - is that which brings “healing to the nations”, or at least we should be. Unfortunately, most of the church is wrapped up in seeing the world that doesn’t believe in Christ burn in a nuclear Armageddon just so the self-righteous can say, “See? Told ya’ so!”
Our purpose here is to live as though heaven is real, so that we’re not surprised to see what it’s like when we get there. And what is the currency of the kingdom?
Righteousness, PEACE, and joy.
I’m not really sure how you think standing by and watching the world burn in a nuclear holocaust, just because you think Jesus will come and fix it, really represents the best interests of heaven or earth.
So much for the entire book of 2 Peter, then. Any other Scripture you tend to toss out?
Mind reading? Where did I say--or even imply--that?
“The white horse I think symbolizes Antichrist...”
I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. Revelation 6:2 (NASB)
The Greek word for “crown” in this verse is “stephanos”. It is used 13 other times in the New Testament, and ALWAYS in relation either to Christ, His apostles, or believers in the church. It is NEVER used in describing “anti-Christ.”
Revelation was written around 96AD and he was writing about things that will come. When did "every eye" see Jesus coming? When did all those on earth marvel at the beast? When did the whole world see Jesus coming in the clouds? When did the whole world bow down to Him? Where is your "new heaven and new earth?
>>all things written were fulfilled<<
Why would you change the words of scripture like that? It says that all things will be fulfilled. It doesn't say they have already been fulfilled.
>>And please, let’s keep John’s words in context. He also wrote that they were living “in the last hour.”<<
I thought you said that what John wrote we hyperbole? Now you say parts are not? Who decides which are and which are not?
>>If they were living in the last hour, we cannot also be living in the last hour.<<
So you take that literally but not other parts? I suppose it is only you Preterists that will decide which is which?
Preterists have a huge problem with most of scripture and much of history. All of which proves them in error.
Yep -full preterism on display at it's finest.
A good argument can be made for this view, and you have laid out the foundations of this argument. I think the argument that the White Horse is Christ or Christ's gospel going out into the land to be followed by war, famine and pestilence is also a good argument. Both can be supported by both NT and OT scripture. Personally, I can't make a stand on this issue because I am just not sure - I don't feel the Holy Spirit leading me one way or the other. Perhaps these parts of the scripture are meant for later generations and will become more obvious as more historic revelation occurs.
“So much for the entire book of 2 Peter, then. Any other Scripture you tend to toss out?”
Just as Revelation was written to the seven churches in Asia Minor, AND NOT TO US, Peter didn’t write his letters to us, either.
This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 Peter 3:1 (NASB)
Second letter “to you?” Hmmm...Guess we better see to whom he addressed the first letter, huh?
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia...1 Peter 1:1 (NASB)
If you’re a Bithnyian and lived almost 2,000 years ago, then yes, this letter was written to you.
If not, be careful how you apply it to today.
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