Posted on 12/15/2014 5:29:08 PM PST by Morgana
The answer is keep her in the church and minister to her.
You walked in alone toots because those of us who stood outside KILL-YOUR-BABY abortion mills were scorned, spat-on, shunned and often ARRESTED for standing up for LIFE while trying to PREVENT YOU from MURDERING YOUR BABY.
The rest of this article isn't worth spit. When you lie at the beginning, there's no reason to believe a single truthful word follows.
If the people in her congregation have a heart for the Lord, they’ll allow the Holy Spirit to work through them to draw her away from the abortion clinic.
Seems like the question is how long do you wait for her to make the change.
If two or three years have passed and she’s still working in the abortion industry it’s way past time to draw the line.
“i kill babies in my spare time... why the church has a problem with that is beyond me. i should be allowed to stay in their organization and spread my version of life to any that would listen”
typical libtard
we need to start shunning these people. if they want redemption, that’s fine... but let’s not kid ourselves. this is a war and they want to get inside the fence to spread their poison.
I agree with her that it would have been nice that there were Christians outside that abortion clinic that she went to that day. I disagree with her wishing her church was more tolerant towards her though.
But this story makes me think of abortionist Tiller. He was a late term abortionist and he was very comfortable attending his church and his church was comfortable with him. I know nothing else about this church of his, but I think we all have an idea what type of church this must’ve been.
We do not know what would have become of Abby if her church had not kicked her out, but I find it hard to believe that she would still be the strong pro-life woman that she is today.
Here is the process of excommunication straight from the Bible. They have the right to kick her out if they told her that her actions are sinful and she continued to do it.
Matthew 18:15–20
15 “If another believer* sins against you,* go privately and point out the offense. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. 16 But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. 17 If the person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. Then if he or she won’t accept the church’s decision, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.
And the reason they did it:
1 Corinthians 5:5
5 Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed* and he himself* will be saved on the day the Lord* returns.
Did Abby contact the church to verify the story and ask about their process? Or did she race to the computer to make sure the details made it in the book?
Not enough details to make a judgement call.
That sums it up. She decided for herself that the church was responsible to play parent and set limits, otherwise she should be free to do what she wanted.
What if I had been ministered to instead of shunned by that church? How could my life be different? Well, maybe I would have realized that abortion was actually going against God’s Word. Maybe I would have sat down with my parents and had an honest discussion about their beliefs. Maybe I would have really connected with a group of pro-life women who could have mentored me during that time. Maybe I would have left. Maybe I would never have been an abortion clinic director. Maybe I wouldn’t be responsible for the deaths of more than 20,000 babies. What if…
Or maybe and most likely... she would have continued toying with two masters. What if she had taken a clue that she *was* ministered to? She just didn't like the church's stongly-worded message, so now it's the church's fault for not being her nanny. Egads what a piece of work.
I was on the receiving end of one of those peaceful pro-life protests when I was escorting my obviously pregnant (9 months of a 9 pound baby with a 4'10" mother) into her last prenatal physician visit. They didn't care that she was not about to have an abortion - they followed us into the elevator hurling accusations at us.
So while they were standing outside a multi-story medical office building any pregnant patient was targeted and not given a Christian message nor even listened to.
It’s bad enough that most Catholic churches rarely bring the subject up but many protestant denominations are perfectly OK with abortion... 7th day adventists , Episcopalians and such .. I don’t know if they really are for murder or if they’re just sticking a thumb in the Catholics eye..
There also are some rigorous theological arguments which assert it is not murder based upon Tertullian and Augustine foundations of when the soul is placed in the baby immediately at childbirth (when God breaths upon the face, not from corporeality), rather than at conception. The counterargument is that the soul is generated by the will of the parents, rather than the will (Sovereignty) of God.
The argument may extend to the formless vs formed stages of growth in the womb and when the soul is imparted to the body.
While I would err on the side of caution, and not condone abortion, there is an additional discernible thinking process of accusation when always asserting it is murder.
It should be noted that the RCC position that abortion is murder, flies in the face of Latin doctrine expressed by Tertullian and Augustine.
It is murder. It is the horrendous killing of a human being.
When is the soul joined to the human body?
It doesn’t really matter because no one has ever actually seen a soul. Arguing about things that cannot be known is a waste of time.
It makes the difference of murder and a surgical procedure.
If an accuser demands a murderer be held accountable when it is not murder, then they also maybe guilty of the charge.
It does not make a difference, it is murder. The baby is 100% human and alive from conception. This much is established fact. Arguing about souls and angels on the heads of pins is meaningless because it is something that cannot be known.
Don’t misunderstand my position.
I believe there exist murderers who perform abortions.
I believe the baby has a soul upon their first breath.
I believe most abortions are committed by ignoring the life of a baby.
I also see many ‘do-gooders’ who have a knowledge of good and evil, attack those surrounding abortion, while they are not in fellowship with God, but instead out of a lust to perform good in their own eyes. IMHO, their actions may be just as sinful as those they attack.
Ignoring the soul now makes the abortion simply a form of killing, instead of murder. Do you really want to ignore the soul?
So opposing evil is also evil in your eyes.
I’m not ignoring the soul. The soul pre-exists the body IMO, so I don’t have any question about when the baby gets one. The baby always had one.
You DO know, doncha, that the belief of "ensoulment" upon birth is what allowed Bill Clinton to slide away theologically and embrace abortion?
Back in the 1990s, one of the major mags (think it was TIME mag) mentioned how Clinton went to a Little Rock Baptist church, whose pastor believed that ensoulment took place at birth...and therefore opened the door for Bill to embrace abortion.
The Bible mentions how God knew both Jeremiah and the apostle Paul BEFORE they were born. And anybody reading the "ME" in Psalm 139 can't readily embracement birth ensoulment nonsense.
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