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There also are some rigorous theological arguments which assert it is not murder based upon Tertullian and Augustine foundations of when the soul is placed in the baby immediately at childbirth (when God breaths upon the face, not from corporeality), rather than at conception. The counterargument is that the soul is generated by the will of the parents, rather than the will (Sovereignty) of God.

The argument may extend to the formless vs formed stages of growth in the womb and when the soul is imparted to the body.

While I would err on the side of caution, and not condone abortion, there is an additional discernible thinking process of accusation when always asserting it is murder.

It should be noted that the RCC position that abortion is murder, flies in the face of Latin doctrine expressed by Tertullian and Augustine.

It is murder. It is the horrendous killing of a human being.

There also are some rigorous theological arguments which assert it is not murder based upon Tertullian and Augustine foundations of when the soul is placed in the baby immediately at childbirth (when God breaths upon the face, not from corporeality), rather than at conception. The counterargument is that the soul is generated by the will of the parents, rather than the will (Sovereignty) of God. The argument may extend to the formless vs formed stages of growth in the womb and when the soul is imparted to the body. While I would err on the side of caution, and not condone abortion, there is an additional discernible thinking process of accusation when always asserting it is murder. It should be noted that the RCC position that abortion is murder, flies in the face of Latin doctrine expressed by Tertullian and Augustine.

Given that you apparently believe the baby has no soul until out of his mother's womb and that abortion is not murder, and since you appealed to the holy catholic apostolic church for support in your teaching, and support was denied, will you tell me which denomination, sect, or faith group is supporting your position on abortion ?

Did Tertullian and Augustine have real-time ultrasound vision into the womb? and did they have the advantage of knowing that the child has separate and distinct DNA from every other person who has ever lived? or that as far as “formed” vs “unformed” that the new child has a functioning heart at 6 weeks...

I’m not the biggest bible scholar around but I know that infanticide was VERY common in ancient times ,, especially in the Roman empire ... and abortion being invasive and far more dangerous was less common and likely less of a conundrum for the scholars... I do not know of any early Christian writings against the most common birth control measure used in Rome ,, namely a primitive version of the IUD where a womans uterus would be packed with small smooth river rocks ... I think perhaps that Tertullian and Augustine’s writings are based on less complete knowledge than we have today.

I can’t help but think of “Bones” McCoy calling us savages as he walked through that SF hospital and performed a “miracle” by giving that woman a single pill that cured her...