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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: terycarl
In fact we had Him for sixteen centuries before you even knew who He was.

How long were your seven, error filled, CATHOLIC churches in Asia around before they fell into ruins?

1,701 posted on 12/18/2014 6:31:43 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Caww and kyak have that glorious job!


1,702 posted on 12/18/2014 6:32:25 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw
What’s sad is seeing how miserable Non-Catholics are. That’s sad.

Sad in which way(s)?
1,703 posted on 12/18/2014 6:33:23 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: terycarl
well, we have our Bible which we gave to you and which you edited to suit your own needs....

I guess that you do NOT read the scriptures I post.

I'm usually showing YOUR wonderful Douy-Rheims verses.

1,704 posted on 12/18/2014 6:34:11 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
>>The Church does not follow uncritically the Old testament prohibitions.<<

LOL How about they follow the New Testament prohibitions?

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood,

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.

1,705 posted on 12/18/2014 6:34:42 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: defconw
What’s sad is seeing how miserable Non-Catholics are. That’s sad.

Miserable in which way(s)?
1,706 posted on 12/18/2014 6:38:27 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: annalex

“Yet Luke did not write “mother of Christ” — which would be “mother of Messiah” but “mother of my Lord”.”

If you wish to understand the text, you must look at the context and understand that “Lord” was used to refer to Messiah. This is Who Mary was informed she would carry and why she was blessed.

Clearly, Mary was not Mother of Yahweh - the other option for “Lord.”

Best


1,707 posted on 12/18/2014 6:38:34 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: terycarl
>>I realize that this isn't what the Bible is pointing out but nevertheless, there's blood there<<

That's a nice attempt to nit pick what God says. If you think He didn't know what was left after bleeding an animal out you may need to take it up with Him. Explain to Him also how the apostles messed it up by saying don't eat blood even after Jesus supposedly told them to eat it.

1,708 posted on 12/18/2014 6:40:38 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Resettozero

Your joy about being a Christian needs work. I see miserable angry people coming after others for their beliefs rather than focusing on your own walk with the Lord.


1,709 posted on 12/18/2014 6:42:44 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: metmom

I think it’s that the first “no one is saved outside the church” was infallible but later when they said that anybody can be saved it must have been more “infallibler”.


1,710 posted on 12/18/2014 6:43:08 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; ealgeone

So, I keep asking....what is the catholic appealing to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw


1,711 posted on 12/18/2014 6:43:21 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PeterPrinciple
I was initially referring to your statement “
More proof that Catholics DO NOT READ THE BIBLE” That is your opinion.

Regarding the Biblical passage, I have no dispute with that message.

However, we must both realize that individual interpretation made by individuals can be false or misleading as God gave us free will to accept or reject His teaching. So the Holy Spirit can instruct our conscience, but man has his biases and is able to chose how he leads his life as moral by God's teachings or by his own interpretation.

My personal opinion is that most people need the assistance of the Catholic Church to fully understand God's Word and to achieve salvation. But even then, some do not fully accept or practice Christ's teachings.

1,712 posted on 12/18/2014 6:44:53 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: defconw
Your joy about being a Christian needs work. I see miserable angry people coming after others for their beliefs rather than focusing on your own walk with the Lord.

Thanks for your reply. You must have a sixth sense about seeing such things.
1,713 posted on 12/18/2014 6:45:26 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Grateful2God
>>you can't convince me that our God is hateful<<

Of course He's not hateful. He's a loving God who would have all men be saved. He is also a just God and has given stern warning about what happens when going against His wishes. Being a just God is not hateful.

>>nor that He wishes us to hate our bretheren!<<

We don't hate our brethren. We hate what they do and we hate how they deceive others into error.

1,714 posted on 12/18/2014 6:47:15 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; goat granny
They've got their winter coats on, and staying toasty warm inside them.

The two boys (brothers) have more of a hairy coat, with soft underfur; While Gracie looks like a fat, little bear cub, with a coat that resembles store bought fleece, 2" thick.

Here's what it looks like when it is shed in the spring...



1,715 posted on 12/18/2014 6:48:36 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; terycarl
>>I daresay you'll get no argument out of anyone on this forum with that statement.<<

I've been looking for something we can agree with him on and alas there it is!

1,716 posted on 12/18/2014 6:49:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Grateful2God

Poor Esau; misunderstood all these centuries.

Romans 9:13


1,717 posted on 12/18/2014 6:50:08 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero
Your joy about being a Christian needs work.

FRoman catholics have posted to me that I'm not a Christian. Cannot be, unless a member of the RCC cult.
1,718 posted on 12/18/2014 6:50:32 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: defconw; metmom; daniel1212; boatbums
Here have a hissy fit on me! Mary! Mary ! Mary! BOOOOOOO!

A prayer means you are praying. If you and I were friends and I was sick in the hospital, I would say "hey defconw please pray for me." Then you would probably say "got your back buddy."

But I would not say a prayer to you to say a prayer for me. The prayers to Mary are not just 'request' forms they are praise for her. They are appealing to attributes of her some Biblical most not; to a perceived special position never given to her by Christ nor the apostles.

1,719 posted on 12/18/2014 6:51:01 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: defconw
Your joy about being a Christian needs work.

FRoman catholics have posted to me that I'm not a Christian. Cannot be, unless a member of the RCC cult.
1,720 posted on 12/18/2014 6:52:39 AM PST by Resettozero
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