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NO BIG BANG WITHOUT GOD, SAYS POPE FRANCIS
Brietbart ^ | by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D. 27 Oct 2014, 8:30 AM PDT | by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D. 27 Oct 2014, 8:30 AM PDT

Posted on 10/27/2014 1:47:14 PM PDT by RaceBannon

The Big Bang “doesn’t contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it,” Pope Francis said Monday morning, because the beginning of the world “is not the work of chaos.” The Pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, gathered in the Vatican to discuss “Evolving Concepts of Nature.” God is not some sort of wizard, said Francis, but rather “the Creator who brought all things into being.” The origin of the world derives directly “from a supreme Principle of creative love,” he added. “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: apostasy; compromise; creation; evolution; heresy; pope; popefrancis
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To: freedumb2003

Actually, the Bible says zero about evolution of something into something else...with the exception of a serpent losing it’s legs in Genesis :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmgs4a-Gbrc
Published on Apr 19, 2012
Eisegesis? Ken Ham gets to the heart of the debate about the six days of creation. If we read from what the biblical text says (exegesis), it allows only one interpretation-six 24-hour days of Creation. Any other interpretation is eisegesis (when people”read into” the Bible).


81 posted on 10/27/2014 3:00:04 PM PDT by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: freedumb2003; piytar
1Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

82 posted on 10/27/2014 3:01:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Justice
quote “Yes, some of the earliest info was orally transmitted”

well .. then we agree !

because the earliest info .. was the creation story!

The creation story HAD to of been passed down orally, and to a MUCH more primitive man than Moses, and certainly more primitive than us living here in the 21 century!

Heck even in Jesus’s time they were still talking about germs as “evil spirits” !!

Did Jesus know that germs were not “evil spirits”? absolutely ! But he had to talk to the people in a way THEY could understand!

The exact same way a scientist would adjust how he describes something very complicated to a child!

83 posted on 10/27/2014 3:05:30 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

and I dont believe that science books that lie about creation were meant to describe what God did, either

it is a fairy tale to believe you are related to a salamander or an ape, and in fact, you should be put in an insane asylum for believing that your relatives had gills like a fish once

it is the height of insanity to believe in evolution


84 posted on 10/27/2014 3:05:45 PM PDT by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: NKP_Vet; ealgeone

Very little of the Bible can be taken anything but literally.

It is the most precisely accurate information on Earth.
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85 posted on 10/27/2014 3:06:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ealgeone
That is one silly argument for God and evolution.. if your thinking was true.. ..if because we are made in God’ image, we do not evolve because God does not evolve. We got big problems

God does not evolve because God is perfect..infinitely perfect.. there is no room for improvement.

So if your reasoning was true..man would be like God perfect without sin.. incapable of sin.. because we are in the image of God...

You make God that is infinite and perfection equals to the finite imperfect man based on we are created in his image?.....

You seen to miss the simple fact that God is not Created.. but we are created..

So no equally between us and God... we have room to grow and improve..or fail. It called evolving.

Not by Darwin and natural selection but by acts of God selection....

To be created in God image in to be created self aware as is God and not a blind animal or a dead inert thing.

But is does not makes us perfect in our self awareness like God is..

Because we are created and finite .we can never be not created and infinite as is God...

So ours is a journey of perpetual improvement needed for we shall remain imperfect in are relation to God and the reason that God' grace is required else we have no hope

86 posted on 10/27/2014 3:07:01 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: RaceBannon

>>Any other interpretation is eisegesis (when people”read into” the Bible).<<

All readings of the Bible are “reading into.”

Heck they haven’t even settled the “yom” thing and that goes into antiquity.

And you are correct, the Bible is silent on most science.

As I said, I will not get drawn into a discussion about TToE as this is about what the Pope said about the Big Bang and how it posits the existence of the Judeochristian God (which gainsays your original rather bizarre post).


87 posted on 10/27/2014 3:07:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Zimmerman, Brown, Fast & Furious, IRS harassment, Philly ignorance: holdering in 1st degree)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Don’t say I didn’t warn ya...


88 posted on 10/27/2014 3:08:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Zimmerman, Brown, Fast & Furious, IRS harassment, Philly ignorance: holdering in 1st degree)
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To: RaceBannon

I am not sure what a copy and paste that is so long that NO ONE will read it has meaning?

A link and synopsis would probably have had the same effect.

It doesn’t even address the simple “yom” issue I presented to you...


89 posted on 10/27/2014 3:11:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Zimmerman, Brown, Fast & Furious, IRS harassment, Philly ignorance: holdering in 1st degree)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Justice

>> “The creation story HAD to of been passed down orally, and to a MUCH more primitive man than Moses, and certainly more primitive than us living here in the 21 century!” <<

Astounding gibberish!

Adam was the most perfect, intelligent, and functional man that ever existed.

The human race has continuously degenerated to the disgusting mess that it is today, riddled with inherited disease, physical, and mental.

We are in serious need of our creator’s soon return.


90 posted on 10/27/2014 3:11:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Think yourself!

Early man was far more advanced than degenerated modern man can even imagine.

Their construction methods cannot be duplicated today.

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91 posted on 10/27/2014 3:15:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: tophat9000; ealgeone

We do not evolve, we have continually devolved.
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92 posted on 10/27/2014 3:18:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: freedumb2003

Not bummed at all. Thanks for the info!


93 posted on 10/27/2014 3:22:42 PM PDT by piytar (So....you are saying that Hilllary (and Obola) do not know what the meaning of the word "IS" IS?)
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To: editor-surveyor

omg...

you are seriously stating that primitive man was more intelligent than us?

...

um... dude... they didn’t even have the WHEEL! what the heck are you talking about!

they thought the Earth was FLAT! that the winds came from 4 corners of that flat earth, that germs were evil spirits! they didn’t have writting! heck they didn’t even have paper! they didn’t know what the sun was! or the stars or ANYTHING!

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!

how can ANYONE ! A N Y O N E believe they had more information and intelligence than us~!?!?!


94 posted on 10/27/2014 3:24:12 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Wrong.


95 posted on 10/27/2014 3:26:18 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You have no idea what they had.

You need to study the matter.

We cannot match the hardness of their alloys, not even close.

We can’t even make their composition today. We do not know how they were able to combine the elements that are found in their tools.

We definitely have devolved.


96 posted on 10/27/2014 3:28:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NKP_Vet

We’ll, that explains a lot of your posts. If you don’t take the bible literally do you believe Jesus really lived, was crucified, and rose again for our sins?


97 posted on 10/27/2014 3:44:29 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: RaceBannon

No Biblical scholar, I. Just a humble convert to the Roman Catholic faith. I don’t follow every twist and turn of Vatican politics, but I can say that this particular pontiff generates a lot of weird headlines!


98 posted on 10/27/2014 3:47:38 PM PDT by karnage
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To: editor-surveyor

I don’t remember light years mentioned in the bible. There was no oxygen yet, therefore no water.


99 posted on 10/27/2014 3:53:24 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ealgeone
God DID create the Universe ex-nihilo.

This is the teaching of the Catholic Church.

100 posted on 10/27/2014 3:56:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness & gentleness.)
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