Posted on 09/23/2014 12:58:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
It’s a totally different Greek word used in the verse you used. See my post 80.
Jesus doesn't return at the rapture. We meet Him in the air.
I’ve read worse.
Ever glance at Twilight? My daughters started screaming at me and ran me out of their room after I was nice enough to treat them to a dramatic reading: “Oh, Edmund! How your pallid white pearl-like skin glows palely in the lacy lunar moonlight...”
Though, I must admit a morbid enjoyment of the movie. It was sooo bad, I just laughed and laughed.
See my post #28....we’re thinking the same thing. Always gotta go with the Greek!
LOL! I saw that after I posted. Gmta!
It's not surprising that some of you know so little of the scriptures...What is surprising that you would comment on the scriptures that you must know you know so little about...
After the Rapture of the church, there's going to be billions of people left on the Earth...There's going to be tons and tons of Catholics...
And at that time, there may be some who can't find many of their friends and relatives who seem to have mysteriously disappeared who have heard about the Rapture and spoke and taught against it...Likely they then will be looking around for a guy associated with the number 666...
How do you prepare yourself for starvation and grotesque torture while going thru the plagues God is going to send down on you??? I suspect there's going to be a lot of suicide...
Simple.
If I am left behind, I will spend the first three and a half years in Israel being safe from the plagues. Apparently Israel will be immune from much of the misery.
Then, after the Abomination of Desolation (desecration of the Temple) and announcement by Antichrist of his own divinity, I’m going to hightail it to Petra. Once I’m safely ensconced in Petra I’ll be preaching regularly to reach those suffering and confused and likely see Christ come, safe from the incursion of the military that Antichrist will assemble, stupidly, to do battle with the King of Kings! I’ll make sure I have a front row seat and shriek mockery to the forces of evil. I’ll make the most of all of it.
I’m not stupid enough to doubt scripture or the timeline of events, so frankly I think I’ll make it relatively unscathed.
I certainly dont want to be left behind. As for the Rapture being something new?
The word RAPTURE is the only thing not found in the Bible. For those that have a problem with the word RAPTURE, use another.
The Scriptures are all there to support it, I am NOT going to put them all up here
this is the order of events according to my Bible.....
Christ returns in the air (the Rapture)
Rise of Anti Christ
unparallelled trouble
Christs return to earth
1000 year Reign
Final Judgement
Billy Graham, Franklin Graham believe in the rapture(call it what you like if the word Rapture bothers you)
Just by chance perhaps, but every single Christian leader that I respect shares this view, I believe it because I read it myself from the Bible
If a person really has asked Jesus into their life, thanked Him for dying on the Cross for them, and is trying to live for Jesus, isn`t supporting abortion rights etc or teaching children that homosexuality is a option for them, or is not in support of removing God/Christ from classroom /public square etc
That`s the most important I would think, but why people would be upset by God`s Word and what it says in certain Scriptures??? I believe every Word of God, but that`s just me
Those verses have nothing to do with the Rapture or the Great Tribulation...
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
The suffering that we see or experience is NOT the suffering that is going to be inflicted during the Tribulation...The apostle Paul describes the suffering that Christians go thru:
o 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
1Co 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
1Co 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
1Co 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
1Co 4:13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
1Co 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
Some of us may lose sight of the fact that there are Christians all over the world and many of them do suffer persecutions that we have never experienced...
I'll bet that as the water crept from their knees up to their necks with no end of the water in sight, there wasn't a single person saying to himself, 'I don't want to go, I think I'd rather be left behind'...
Well, consider the movies.
so you wont be fazed if you are left behind? All your Christian friends are gone and you are still here, you wont be just a little bit concerned :)
I certainly would be. BTW I am fully counting on God`s mercy just for full disclosure, if it was dependent on my personal goodness I would have no hope. But thank God For Jesus and what HE did for me on the Cross.
But yes to be left behind would be very upsetting to say the least.
How many times does this have to be explained to you guys...Jesus does not return at the Rapture...The church leaves...
Now, some say those who are made righteous by accepting the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, who were made righteous, not by their acts, but by the sacrifice of God's own Son are appointed to His wrath and will go through the Tribulation. The Bride of Christ.....appointed to Gods wrath????? I do not find it in the Bible. We have put on the righteousness of Jesus, Himself.....God, Himself said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." We are made righteous by Him , and his perfect sacrifice. We are his Bride. There will come a time when God calls forth the Bride and God will shut them in the Ark. Then great Tribulation will come upon the whole world.
I Thessalonians 4:15, I Corinthians 15:51...
To be Snatched away...."Then we which are alive shall be caught up to meet him in the clouds, in the air......."
Well, Mr. Butler (not you SeekAndFind), when Jesus DOES come to “catch up” (rapture) the church (believers in Christ) before the Tribulation, you will be quite GLAD that you weren’t left behind. It’s called “the time of Jacob’s trouble” for a reason.
Jesus’s “return” is about returning for us, His bride. Maranatha Lord come quickly. If He came in the air here on earth and caught us up to Him and took us out of here, that would be Jesus returning. He would then have to return a second time.
One return of Jesus for His bride who He catches up into the air on His way down to establish His kingdom on earth for a thousand years during which satan and the demons are bound.
Jesus in clouds is the great cloud of witnesses from heaven (the saints in heaven) given their resurrected bodies, then us who still live on earth caught up to Him and given new bodies for a millennium here on earth. Bodies are for here on earth not heaven.
Well said!
15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Mtt. Mat. 24:15-22
For who’s sake will those days be cut short? The elect! Us in Christ! If the elect were not here on earth the days would not have to be cut short. Jeremiah’s prophecy of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble coincides with the great tribulation.
“What is surprising that you would comment on the scriptures that you must know you know so little about...”
I was not commenting on the scriptures, I was commenting on Irenaeus, who was commenting on the scriptures (Rev. 13:18).
As to the rest of your post, it is based on an assumption, a pre-trib rapture is assumed in the scenario you described. An assumption neither I, nor Irenaeus, would agree with.
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