Posted on 09/12/2014 6:28:11 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
According to Latter-Day Saints (LDS, Mormon) President Orson Hyde, Jesus was married to several women, including Mary Magdalene, and had biological children.
"..[In John 2,] Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do. Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. ... We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified. ... I do not despise to be called a son of Abraham, if he had a dozen wives; or to be called a brother, a son, a child of the Savior, if he had Mary, and Martha, and several others, as wives; and though he did cast seven devils out of one of them, it is all the same to me. ... I shall say here, that before the Savior died, he looked upon his own natural children, as we look upon ours; he saw his seed, and immediately afterwards he was cut off from the earth; but who shall declare his generation?"
-- Hyde, at the Mormon General Conference, on 6 October 1854. (Printed in Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 82.)
Apparently, this position had support from Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, Orson Pratt, and others.
The LDS organization has since denied these claims. A spokesman said, "The belief that Christ was married has never been official Church doctrine. It is neither sanctioned nor taught by the Church. While it is true that a few Church leaders in the mid-1800s expressed their opinions on the matter, it was not then, and is not now, Church doctrine."
Still, Hyde's is an allowed position within Mormonism. That is concerning.
Of course, Christ is the figurative Bridegroom -- but He is not so literally, in a carnal sense! Also, for the record, the "seed" of His mentioned in Isaiah 53:10 refers to our spiritual relationship with Him, in the sense of John 12:24 and Galatians 3:26.
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He hardly energized the evangelicals.
In the interest of saving time, do you think that Lucifer and The Devil are the same thing ?
He had trouble energizing anybody.
We know that Muslims want to cut off the heads of Christians, but what do they think of the Mormons ?
Not according to Barack Obama.
“I think Mormonism is just something Joe Smith pulled out of his hat.”
Think much lower...
Exactly my point, presenting him as either married or unmarried has no basis in the Bible text. Yet for centuries He has been presented as an unmarried man. The flaw is only apparent to many when the opposite stance is taken than what they have accepted as fact.
If you are not muslim, your head is forfeit.
Good comments. Few Christians know that the Jews who arrested Jesus violated all the Judaic criminal laws in his arrest and prosecution.
There’s a Sherlock Holmes story in which a dog doesn’t bark, thereby giving away the dog’s owner. For a Jewish Rabbi not to be married would be a serious fault and unheard of in rabbinical tradition. What’s the one thing the Jewish leaders didn’t accuse Jesus of?
Sure. THAT is what the literature about Lucifer says.
SATAN means "adversary" in Hebrew. The literature says that too.
True. I knew he would lose the day he won the nomination.
This is interesting:
Hyde spent from April 1841 to December 1842 in Jerusalem. He recorded that before dawn on October 24, 1841 he climbed up the Mount of Olives overlooking the city, then both wrote and recited a prayer, part of which reads:
Now, O Lord! Thy servant has been obedient to the heavenly vision which Thou gavest him in his native land; and under the shadow of Thine outstretched arm, he has safely arrived in this place to dedicate and consecrate this land unto Thee, for the gathering together of Judah’s scattered remnants, according to the predictions of the holy Prophets — for the building up of Jerusalem again after it has been trodden down by the Gentiles so long, and for rearing a Temple in honor of Thy name. Everlasting thanks be ascribed unto Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that Thou hast preserved Thy servant from the dangers of the seas, and from the plague and pestilence which have caused the land to mourn. The violence of man has also been restrained, and Thy providential care by night and by day has been exercised over Thine unworthy servant. Accept, therefore, O Lord, the tribute of a grateful heart for all past favors, and be pleased to continue Thy kindness and mercy towards a needy worm of the dust.[9]
Having dedicated Jerusalem and Palestine for the ingathering of the Jews, Hyde departed the mountain after building a small altar with stones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Hyde#Mission_to_Jerusalem
You’d be hard pressed to find Jews talking about returning to Israel in 1841. The German Rabbis were criticizing Jewish thought and paving the way for communism and Jewish atheism at the time. Zionism was founded by secular Jews about 40 years after Hyde’s dedication.
Fascinating.
Not really. The 'Old Yishuv' began in the 1700s, with the famous Yehudah HeHasid and a few other preaching rabbis in Europe.
We're either for Christ or against Him.
All I need to know.
Glenn
Beck.
But which serves to expose and refute Rome, even if indirectly.
Here, while a blog host posts a cursory denial of a Mormonic claim, yet like Rome, this cult also operates out of the sola ecclesia model for supreme authority, and thus also places another book as equal to Scripture, and actually above it, as well as preaching a false gospel thru false apostles.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:13)
Very interesting and some Jewish history I didn’t know. I think the point still stands, though. This is a very small group as a percent of world jewry and there wasn’t a worldwide call, no?
Is the Yishuv considered the remnant that returned per Isaiah or the remnant that stayed?
“Remnants” enter in to it less than one might think. It is a mitzvah to live in the Land of Israel regardless of the political arrangements in the region. Jews have always talked about doing so and actually done so when the opportunity presented itself. The popular secular Zionist Movement was not as widely embraced as we seem to see it in retrospect
The development of steam engines made all sorts of travel easier, the rise of secularism with Napoleon, and the declining Muslim zealotry of the Turks, undoubtedly made it easier for Jews to return to the Holy Land, so it’s not really surprising that mass movements sprung up with real possibilities.
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