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Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.
But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:
"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.
As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...
Nobody has denied yet that Pope Francis said the words, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!". Are you saying we should pretend he didn't just because someone wrote about it that has questionable credibility? Pretty much this whole thread has been addressing actual things Roman Catholics say, teach and believe and whether or not Freepers agree with them or not. I don't think the author really matters here at this point. I question why you would even mention it.
The main guideline to posting on the Religion Forum: "Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal..."
... Linking to Previous Posts on the Religion Forum:
The objective, on the Religion Forum, of not bringing forward disputes from prior threads is to discourage flame wars spreading, in particular the needling or badgering of other posters by bringing up their past remarks, again and again.
However, if you were to say “I recall your saying something else on an earlier thread” and the poster challenged you “Oh yeah, where?” then you would be obligated to link to the previous thread and I would not pull it. If you want to argue the previous claim, then go back to the earlier thread, ping all the interested parties and say something like “Here you say the sky is green. Why?” The respondent will be obligated then to explain the green comment in context with that particular thread and parties involved in it.
If however you are seeking to “impeach the witness” by showing he waffles back and forth THAT is “making it personal” and I will pull it to avoid a flame war.
And if you are trying to embarrass another Freeper by recalling his inconvenient comments from prior threads, THAT is also "making it personal" and I will pull it to avoid a flame war. If however he is linking to an article posted by someone else - and that article was a "caucus" of which he was not a member - then I might pull the post anyway if I think it would have the affect of defeating the caucus label. Besides, he can always quote the source article directly without seemingly trying to work around the caucus protection. ... http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/
Though they would be loath to ever admit this, the dogma of Mary having to be a sinless vessel in order to bear the incarnate God actually detracts from the truth of the Deity of Jesus.
....”A good thing about Catholicism is that it is never confused about the Divinity of Jesus”.....
No,...catholicism is very much confused about the Divinity of Jesus or they could not state falsely the following, let alone believe it.
CCC 460,........ “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” ...”The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.”
CCC 795, “Christ and his Church thus together make up the “whole Christ”... Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God’s grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ.”
.....That is NOT what the Bible teaches nor what Jesus taught. That is the same line of belief as Mormons, New Age and Hinduism....that we become God/Christ...and that is a lie and comes from the father of lies.
...” It’s more like lucifer masquarading as an angel of light”....
In Islam I don’t think he’s masquranding anything these days...nor has he in the past...he’s right out there “showing” his brutality, death and hatred and lies.
.... It’s peoples own stupidity and wreckless false assumptions that’s the problem.
Good job, bb. Spot on.
You can always tell when you hit the truth cause you earn a box of cereal for your post.
You wouldn’t have the Scriptures without Catholicism.
The Holy Spirit didn’t dwell in us until after the Redemption. Before the Redemption, when anyone but the priests touched the Ark of the Covenant, they fell over dead.
When you read the words of Gabriel and Elizabeth, it’s clear that the Hail Mary has a scriptural basis.
Yes, I guess all the Christians up until the Reformation, Jesus allowed to live in a fable. His words about denting the Holy Spirit to lead His disciples to all Truth just weren’t operative. As a Catholic, I don’t have to ignore virtually everything the first centuries of Christians wrote, because the Church still teaches what they wrote. The fables have come in recent centuries which have no mention among Christians for 1400 plus years. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what all the Christians who didn’t have
a Bible followed besides the Church. And don’t tell me they follow the Holy Spirit, as believers continue to divide themselves over endless different interpretations of Scripture.
You talk about the Scriptures, but then I bring up two verses Jesus speaks to His mother and John before His Death and you don’t want to discuss it. I’m not going to just skip over Jesus calling His mother “Woman” because these are clear allusions to Genesis 3 and Revelation 12.
Says the angel who “hail”ed her. The marginalizing of the Blessed Virgin Mary’s role in Salvation history has no basis in Christian history until well after the Reformation.
“What does Scripture say?”
Most Christians didn’t have access to the Scriptures until after the invention of the printing press a few centuries ago. There have been and still are many people who can’t read. Even if they don’t belong to the Catholic Church, they follow the guidance of their church.
Nonsense...No one in the first centuries ever believed Mary was sinless...Non one ever believed in a pope...
You're making things up again...Gabriel never said or called Mary sinless...
Speaking to your point regarding illiteracy even Catholic illiteracy...you may have a point. There-fore all illiterate Catholics should at least get into a Southern Baptist Sunday School even if they still want to get to Mass. Take the first thru 5th grade classes...bible memorization of key verses and stories are highly stressed and they’ll get more unfettered Bible info there then in any Catechism classes which do require a high degree of literacy!
You have done a great FREEPER service by pointing out how vulnerable illiterate folks are to the manipulations of Churches who don’t have the full Gospel in mind and heart and in the process make their illiterate parishioners thrice damned more then the priests of these benighted sheep themselves!
It was for that reason that Bibles were printed in the vernacular tongues and were used as early reading primers for children....especially in the settler/pioneer days of early North America!
The illiterate are easily hoodwinked and controlled which is why social psychopaths in the leadership of the governments and mainline liberal churches work real hard to keep them that way.
Wrong.
We wouldn't have Scripture without the Holy Spirit.
That's quite the sin of presumption for the Catholic church and Catholics to take credit for the work of God.
Like God didn't or wouldn't have any recourse if not for the Catholic church.
God will share His glory with no other.
Payday is coming for those who would take credit for the work of God.
Read again what I was responding to.
The claim was that Gabriel’s greeting was half of a Hail Mary, as if that was the course for Gabriel’s greeting and validates it somehow.
All that happened was that someone took that greeting and made half a prayer out of it.
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