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Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"
Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.

But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:

"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.

As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; bigotry; catholic; mary; pope; popefrancis
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To: JPX2011
Our Blessed Mother pays the bills.

Oh; I get it NOW!

You're one of them Westboro dudes; impersonating an abrasive Catholic.

BTW; you're doing a real good job!

921 posted on 09/17/2014 3:22:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
I'll drink to that! LOL

Lots
Of
Liquor?

922 posted on 09/17/2014 3:24:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kinsman redeemer
I look forward to seeing things improve.

How?

I'll still be here!

923 posted on 09/17/2014 3:26:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MDLION
Someone can only be “Full” of Grace if there were no sin of any kind present to obstruct Grace.

Says WHO?


This is a TOTALLY imagined assertion with ZERO basis in FACT.

924 posted on 09/17/2014 3:30:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MDLION
Do you really think God could incarnate in the womb of a sinful creature?

Yes; Why do you 'think' He couldn't?

925 posted on 09/17/2014 3:31:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MDLION
Two of Jesus’ final Seven words on the Cross are red herrings?

Nope; but the ATTEMPT to veer off in a different direction of thought IS.

926 posted on 09/17/2014 3:33:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mdmathis6
Conflations of out of context scripture and emotional appeals to sentiment(everyone must love their Mary...why she’s your momma) have all acted over the centuries to recreate Mary from the simple virgin maiden she was who accepted God’s plan for her life to this hyper stylized and idealized sinless china doll who was practically a 4th member of the God head to hear Catholics tell of it.


ARRRRGH!!!


927 posted on 09/17/2014 3:38:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MDLION
Someone can only be “Full” of Grace if there were no sin of any kind present to obstruct Grace.

You have it so backwards...No one receives grace as a payment or reward...Not even Mary...Grace may however prevent someone from sinning as much as they could...

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Was Paul's grace a reward for killing so many Christians???

Do you really think God could incarnate in the womb of a sinful creature?

Do you think the God who Created all that is would be worried about a little thing like that???

Not only could Jesus have been born to a sinning mother, it had to be that way...God could not be tempted by sin...Jesus was tempted by sin...

Heb_2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Do you really think God could incarnate in the womb of a sinful creature? How would that creature not be annihilated? In the Old Testament, when those who weren’t priests touched the Ark of the Covenant, they would fall over dead, fallen, unredeemed human beings were so unworthy at that time. God is outside time and to Him all things are present.

That's pretty presumptuous of you...God created time...Jesus lived in time...Jesus died in time...You don't think God could separate time???

So you are saying that since people of the Old Testament would die if they touched the ark, that Mary in the New Testament would have fallen over dead if she was not perfect and sinless when she became pregnant??? But yet Mary which Catholics claim is the new Eve (deadly ark) with God living inside her was not a death trap when people touched her...

The fables your religion spins would be the envy of Aesop...

928 posted on 09/17/2014 4:47:38 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Heart-Rest
>>the Bible (Matthew 21:12-13), it also says,<<

Still prior to the death and resurrection.

>>but He can choose to make His Holy Presence more available and approachable for humans at a specific, particular, special location, wherever and whenever He wants to.<<

But He didn't. God is now equally approachable anywhere and everywhere.

929 posted on 09/17/2014 5:30:02 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: MDLION; mdmathis6
You talk about praying the Rosary but avoid the words Gabriel and Elizabeth spoke to Mary which are half a Hail Mary.

The words Gabriel spoke were not *half a Hail Mary*.

The Hail Mary did not exist at the time.

Catholics took the words Gabriel spoke and made it into half the Hail Mary, so your appeal to authority falls flat on its face.

930 posted on 09/17/2014 5:36:00 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Heart-Rest
>>Do you believe a person can encounter Jesus Christ inside a Chapel/Church built by human hands,<<

Why do you try to change the narrative? Your posts and comments tried to show that we are told to build a place to meet the Lord. And you specifically stated that it's easier to meet Him there. I didn't say you can't meet Him there. I said you can be with Him anywhere and that your comments indicate you believe a structure is not only commanded but preferable.

931 posted on 09/17/2014 6:02:45 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: MDLION; mdmathis6
>>In Luke, Elizabeth calls her “the Mother of my Lord”. “Lord” is a clear reference to Jesus’ Divinity.<<

I think you need to check the Greek word there. That same Greek word is used here in Matthew 20:8 where it says "lord of the vineyard". The Greek word there does NOT specifically denote deity. It is used for masters of slaves and others in authority. Study scripture, not Catholicism.

932 posted on 09/17/2014 6:24:38 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; MDLION; mdmathis6
>>In Luke, Elizabeth calls her “the Mother of my Lord”. “Lord” is a clear reference to Jesus’ Divinity.<< I think you need to check the Greek word there. That same Greek word is used here in Matthew 20:8 where it says "lord of the vineyard". The Greek word there does NOT specifically denote deity. It is used for masters of slaves and others in authority. Study scripture, not Catholicism.

Oh, do you mean like this ?

  1. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
  2. I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded : but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be .
  3. But God forbid that I should glory , save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
  4. From henceforth let no man trouble me : for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. 18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen . [To the Galatians written from Rome.]

933 posted on 09/17/2014 6:31:43 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Iscool; MDLION
≥>So you are saying that since people of the Old Testament would die if they touched the ark, that Mary in the New Testament would have fallen over dead if she was not perfect and sinless when she became pregnant???<<

It would also deny what scripture says about the Holy Spirit indwelling of believers.

934 posted on 09/17/2014 6:33:43 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; MDLION; mdmathis6
Study scripture, not Catholicism.

A good thing about Catholicism is that it is never confused about the Divinity of Jesus.

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

935 posted on 09/17/2014 6:36:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

What part of “specifically” did you not understand? Go look at how the Greek word is used throughout scripture and come back and tell us how every time it denoted deity.


937 posted on 09/17/2014 6:39:42 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: af_vet_1981
>>A good thing about Catholicism is that it is never confused about the Divinity of Jesus.<<

Oh they ascribe divinity to lots of people and even crackers.

938 posted on 09/17/2014 6:42:57 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: narses

All you have to do is check how that word is used in scripture and come back and show us how every time it ascribed divinity. That should be easy enough for you shouldn’t it?


939 posted on 09/17/2014 6:45:59 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
Well, then, if Christ is the example of how to honor whats-her-name, then we should be calling her *Woman*, like He did....I don't recall anywhere where he called her by her name, nor even called her *Mother*, or *Mom* nor even referred to her at all as HIS mother. -metmom
Jesus's last words on the Cross, before he uttered, "It is finished," were to John, "Behold your mother." He did not say behold "whats-her-name." Your disdain for Mary is harsh, unnecessary, and displays no love, yet she is the mother of Jesus, hence God. This from today's first reading, 1 Cor 12:31-13:13:
"Brothers and sisters: Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts. But I shall show you a still more excellent way. If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal........."

940 posted on 09/17/2014 7:17:50 AM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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