Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

[Jan_Sobieski]

Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.

But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:

"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.

As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...

[daniel1212]

A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments,... (Isaiah 65:3-4)

Its literally a grave situation:

Skull Chapel, Czermna, Poland

Beneath its floor is a mass grave containing the remains of another 21,000 people who died during the Thirty Years’ War (1618–1648), or due to cholera and hunger. While those exhumed to create the grizzly interior decorations were never consulted during life, the bones of those that created the sinister sideshow also rest in the Skull Chapel, in a last macabre nod to their “sanctuary of silence”.

And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5)

More: http://www.worldsbiggests.com/2013/03/11-most-bizarre-european-ossuaries.html

http://www.theworldisabook.com/17882/czech-republic-sedlec-ossuary-bone-church-with-kids/

[Elsie]

Or the more likely scenario is that it is nothing more than another in a series of lies and calumnies by protestants.

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Elsie]

Who's your favorite in THIS election?

[Elsie]

Necromancy.

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[Elsie]

So you’re equating yourself to the Pope now? That’s hysterical.

LOL; as it's your strawman.

Got any other words that do not bash me and instead justify the non-biblical things your chosen religions requires of you?

[Elsie]

How much scripture in response does one have to post before you see their position?

Scripture?

Even Cutting and Pasting from their own CC will not cut through the veil before their eyes!

[Elsie]

Perhaps it would seem so to a child.

[Elsie]

That is no part of Catholic doctrine, nor has it ever been.

Oh?

I've seen myriad quotes from the CCC that FR catholics dismiss without even a WAVE of the hand!

[Elsie]

1820

Leave this thread, do not post on it again.

Take some time to review the rules of the Religion Forum.

[Elsie]

And you see this here, well this looks sort of like this and it has the same shape as this, and so they are kinda sorta the same thing. Blah blah blah."

Kinda like the Calvinosaurus of Catholicism...

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Dump a bible in a blender; toss in a few speculations, and some visitations to CHILDREN in Portugal, still with the big stick of 'authority'; and VIOLA!!!Ya got yerself a DOCTRINE!!

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Mr. Millet:

 

I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on.

I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from him

that are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure.

That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim,

 it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me.

We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the

Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea.

And so, and so in that sense — I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with — I've been invited

to the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus.

And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions.

And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours.

 

The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one.

 

He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?'

 

And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?'

 

He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?'

 

And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this.

 

I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.'

 

But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time.

We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries.

 

And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night.

We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'

 

 

http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

[Elsie]

They simply don't know what they're talking about.

Mary is Dead!

[Elsie]

Do you realize you can put MORE than one name in the To: (use semi-colons to separate multiple recipients) box?

[WVKayaker]

They simply don't know what they're talking about. -JPwannabe

Mary is Dead! -Elsie

She's dead, Jim!

[CynicalBear]

>>What I think about a subject has absolutely NO value unless it echos what the Bible says about it.<<

True that. Scripture however tells us that the spirit does not sleep as the body does. We have clear evidence that prior to Christ's death and ressurection Abraham, Lazarus, and the rich man were not only aware of where they were but were conversant as well. So too in the New Testament we see Moses and Elija as well as the saints who were slain cognizant of were they are and in the case of the saints again conversant. Whereas Catholics add to what scripture allows for those who have passed from this life many others seem to not see that those souls are also not "asleep".

[Elsie]

[CynicalBear]

Thank you for the ping. The apostles didn't teach about the need for denominational identification. The obsession with that type of identification is rather counter to what they taught.

[xzins]

Wrong application of the word pride. In the bible verses you quote it is used in the sense of ‘an air of superiority or self-sufficiency’.

Being proud of a child, or of a job well done, or of a church are all used in the sense of “acceptance of something pleasing or wholesome in one’s life”. So, if someone recognizes the wholesomeness of their denomination, then one would think they’d want to share how they’ve received that gift.

[metmom]

WVK:“It seems the ones trolling on this thread are the ones insisting that they cannot err as long as they follow Rome.”

dsc:That is no part of Catholic doctrine, nor has it ever been. It is astounding that you could be unaware of that.

Now, THAT is an interesting admission.

However, actions speak louder than words because for all practical purposes Catholics to believe taht and state as much regularly on these threads.

Otherwise, all us non-Catholics would not be continually castigated for following the Bible because we don't have one central, allegedly infallible teaching authority to lead us to the *truth*.

[CynicalBear]

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

And still some would try to make us believe He brings them up again after we pass from this life.

Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

When one travels from North headed South there is a limit how far South one can travel. At the South Pole one begins to go North. From the North Pole to the South Pole is a measurable distance. Not so with east and west. When one travels East they can keep going forever and never reach the end of going east. Yet some would try to convince us that our sins are still attached to us for all to see.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Yet some would teach that condemnation follows us.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Yet some would attempt to put us back under the law as slaves.