Martin Luther's Devotion to Mary

http://www.catholicculture.org ^ | April 24, 2003 | Dave Armstrong

[Salvation]

Is Jesus the second person of the Trinity, the Son of God?

Is Mary his mother?

Simple as that?

[Salvation]

What counsel will you private council give you?

[SkyDancer]

Christians, Catholics in general have their views on Mary. I’m saying we Jews have a different view is all. For me to espouse what we believe here on your thread would be counter productive .....

[Salvation]

Some day that issue would make an interesting thread. Thanks for your answer.

[ebb tide]

Now how do you know that?

Check out the link in Post 17.

[Rashputin]

"What doctrine points a finger at him as being from satan?"

1) The assertion that marriage is a State concern, not something God ordained
2) Throwing out seven books of the Bible, books Jesus Christ and the Apostles quoted from and never once said were in any way any different than the other books of the Bible
3) Scripture Alone which is clearly contradicted in Scripture
4) Faith Alone which is clearly contradicted in Scripture
5) Denial that there is a seperate priesthood when Scripture clearly teaches otherwise and warns us against falling into the heresy of Core as Luther taught and Protestants accept in spite of Scripture
6) Denial that The One True Church is founded on Peter

There's more but anyone who refuses to dig into those above isn't going to care about the rest any more than they care about anything other than defining their own version of Christ to suit their own version of Christianity.

[353FMG]

The explanation is even simpler than that.

When Mary was pregnant with Jesus, His Entire Being resided in her womb — not just His humanity but also His divinity.

Christ received His humanity through Mary (all humans have mommies) but His divinity was ‘From the Beginning....’.

The two natures fully resided within the Fetus Mary carried, and she can therefore rightfully be assigned the title ‘Mother of God’ without herself being divine.

[SkyDancer]

I read your thread ....

[Alex Murphy]

Martin Luther was a heretic and a tool of Satan. 

If the man was a tool of Satan, maybe his belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary was part of Satan's doing.

[NKP_Vet]

The Papacy is not only rooted in Scripture, it is safeguarded by Scripture’s Author: the Holy Spirit.

[boatbums]

I agree! I think it is a form of schizophrenia. They can't make up their minds what they think about a man who died nearly five hundred years ago - as if he controls/controlled everything pertaining to "Protestantism". Few will even bother to read Luther's actual writings or understand that, as he grew and developed in the Christ-centered faith, the less emphasis he placed on talking about Mary. He came to realize that, as a young Catholic boy and then priest and monk he had been taught to fear Christ as a terrible judge and that Mary represented a go-between of mercy, yet, the closer he got to Christ the more he understood that Christ needed no go-between and that he WAS merciful and gracious. He said:

Christ is not so much a judge and an angry God but one who bears and carries our sins, a mediator. Away with the papists, who have set Christ before us as a terrible judge and have turned the saints into intercessors! There they have added fuel to the fire. By nature we are already afraid of God. Blessed therefore are those who as uncorrupted young people arrived at this understanding, that they can say: “I only knew Jesus Christ as the bearer of my sins. [Martin Luther, Luther’s Works, 17:224.]

[boatbums]

Those "points" HAVE BEEN dug into numerous times, you just refuse to accept the answers. Case in point, Luther NEVER "threw out" those Apocryphal books from his German translation. In fact, if you got a copy of it, you would see they WERE still there. You have been pointed to links that disputed this before, did you forget or did you refuse to read them, too?

[Rashputin]

To be consistent, then, you standard means that someone who denies Jesus Christ is the Son of God isn't "throwing out" Jesus Christ.

Have a nice day

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“The Papacy is not only rooted in Scripture, it is safeguarded by Scripture’s Author: the Holy Spirit.”

Neither is Biblical, friend. Nor do hundreds of millions believe either.

Best to you.

[Salvation]

Mt 16

[Rashputin]

Going to my book shelf :

Luther Bible (1534).

Title to Apocrypha: "APOCRYPHA, that is, Books which are not to be esteemed like the Holy Scriptures, and yet which are useful and good to read."

From a reprint of Luther's Bible.

Continue to split hairs over whether they were bound in printed volume at the insistence of his pal Phil all you like but Luther denied they were the inspired Word of God.

That is, in fact, throwing them out of Scripture and putting them on par with fairy tales; good to read by not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Say hello to Gilligan

[boatbums]

You're the one making statements you cannot back up. You stated:

Throwing out seven books of the Bible, books Jesus Christ and the Apostles quoted from and never once said were in any way any different than the other books of the Bible

Luther did NOT "throw out" those books AND he was hardly alone in esteeming them as he did. Even Jerome held them that way. Regarding Luther's translation, it is prefaced with,

“In keeping with early Christian tradition, Luther also included the Apocrypha of the Old Testament. Sorting them out of the canonical books, he appended them at the end of the Old Testament with the caption, ‘These books are not held equal to the Scriptures, but are useful and good to read.’”

Also, “In providing prefaces for the books in the German Bible, Luther was simply following a traditional practice. The inclusion of a prologue illuminating the main thoughts of a treatise was a practice associated with the best in scholarly exposition as far back as Aristotle. Jerome’s Vulgate had prefaces to almost every book in the Bible, plus others for groups of books such as Paul’s epistles and the seven catholic epistles.... The second edition of Erasmus’ New Testament in 1518 began with one hundred twenty folio pages of introductory material.” [(http://tquid.sharpens.org/Luther_%20canon.htm#a2)

[boatbums]

Are you not feeling well tonight? Jumping to silly conclusions and rushing to unfounded judgments can wear one out, you know.

[Bill93]

I had a big issue with this doctrine when I first heard of it. Apparently, co-redemptrix literally means “with the redeemer” the doctrine refers to her remaining with Jesus (i.e. sticking by his side) throughout her life. It is not, apparently, supposed to be interpreted in the same fashion as more common terms like “co-owner” that assumes an equal partnership.

[Rashputin]

Luther and Protestants deny that a large portion of the inspired Word of God is in fact His Word. PERIOD.

Excuseitis may now continue but it does not alter the fact that throwing a large portion of His Holy Scripture in the garbage is nothing less than asserting that the Holy Spirit is imperfect, cannot, and did not, protect His Holy Word from the inclusion of error for nearly eighteen hundred years.

Throwing those books in the garbage amounts to asserting that the Holy Spirit cannot possibly be a part of the the Trinity.

Have a nice day