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An OPC Pastor Enters the Catholic Church
Called to Communion ^ | Feb 7th, 2012 | Jason Stewart

Posted on 06/21/2014 1:28:22 AM PDT by Al Hitan

Let me begin this conclusion by ending at the beginning: My wife Cindy and I entered into full communion with the Catholic Church because we came to see that this Church is the Church established by Jesus Christ. We came to this realization in large measure by spending time in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, reading other positive presentations of Catholic teaching, and speaking with flesh and blood Catholics in all walks of life and vocations. The many misconceptions we had about what Catholics believed were cleared away as we dug deeply into the teaching resources of the Catholic Church and talked with actual Catholics. We began to recognize that all the Church taught and claimed was verified and confirmed in the Bible, by history, and in the lives of the saints. Over time we came to understand that the Catholic Church represents the fullness of what Christ wanted to reveal to his people; that it possesses all the gifts that our Lord wanted us to have; and that the Church in its liturgy, its apostolic teaching, the Eucharist, the sacraments, and its saints, serves as the definitive place where God’s grace is on full offer. The reason being — it is the Church of Jesus Christ most fully and rightly ordered through time. Yes, unquestionably a profound claim. But it is the one made by the Catholic Church in all ages, and it is the claim we have come to accept.

This is your invitation to test and see. I assure you that there is no lack of evidences for her divine origin. Such are openly verifiable and abundant. One need only the willingness to discern them. Whatever my personal story may be, the proof of the Catholic Church’s divine origin resides in the realm of history. The evidences are public, out there for you to examine. You are not at the mercy of my personal judgments concerning this claim about the Catholic Church. Instead you are free to investigate the facts of the Church’s perduring existence, her miraculous life, her divine teachings, the abiding fruit of her mission in the world from the time of Christ even down to our present day. The clues are all there; they await you. You need only begin to pursue them.


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: calvinism; catholic; conversion; opc; orthodoxpresbyterian; presbyterian
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To: delchiante; verga
Today is the 23rd day of His 2nd month. it is the first work day after His seventh Day Sabbath.

How do you write that on your checks?

81 posted on 06/21/2014 10:09:57 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: vladimir998

Brother I explained the worship and I said I observe the biblical, scriptural calendar- the one that He gave us in His sky- with the sun, moon and stars as signs, seasons, days and years..

The daughter churches use the solar based calendar from their mother... it only uses the sun to tell time...
It doesn’t factor in the moon or stars..

That is jus like the ancient sun worshippers who came way before you and me..
They have selected, as their mother has, the holiest day of the ‘sun’s day, for their Sabbath.

The messiah of Israel’s ressurection anniversary this year occurred on a Frigg’s/Freya’s day(Friday) this month...not a pope calendar sun’s day...(the Jews celebrated their first fruit on a Woden’s day which would be the correct day in scripture if they did not ignore the stars in their calculation)

The mother and daughters marked their celebration on a sun’sday last month.. they also use the sun in the winter to mark their other holy day of december 25 which occurs after the winter solstice- they had ancient festivals around this time that were not biblical...

His Sabbath is not tied to the sun... it is tied to the sun, moon and stars...

The presbyterian daughters adopted the sun worship calendar and holy days from their mother, not from scripture..

That my friend, is worship...

And it isn’t worship in Spirit or Truth..


82 posted on 06/21/2014 10:17:17 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Al Hitan

Thankfully, I only write one check....the counterfeit world system is only supposed to look like it is set up to be biblically accurate..the god of this world likes it that way...

But it is easier than saying Moon’s Day, Tiw’s Day or Woden’s Day or Thor’s Day or Frigg/Freya’s Day or Saturn’s Day or Sun’s Day...those are tough as we all learned them innocently as little children and certainly those authority figures wouldn’t lie to us...and they are on our minds all the time and determine even what days we may use our hands..

But as we grow and learn, we get to ask, seek and knock for ourselves..

And those god’s goddesses and creation get more pub then our Creator...His Days and set times and appointed times are actually hidden and ignored by the world and even by those who claim to love Him...

And Satan doesn’t care who we worship as long as it isnt the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His only begotten Son, the Messiah of Israel..


83 posted on 06/21/2014 10:28:49 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Iscool

Nonsense. She went for years without perceptible consolation in prayer. That’s not the same thing as “not having a relationship with Jesus.”

As for her “never having led a soul to Christ,” I have a two-word answer: Malcolm Muggeridge. And, oh, several million other people.

You need to get some info about the Catholic Church from somewhere other than Jack Chick pamphlets.


84 posted on 06/21/2014 10:40:46 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Al Hitan

The FR religious forum is nothing but a platform for the RCC, bashing protestantism, pushing their marxist pope, and pushing the papacy, this thread typical of their agenda.


85 posted on 06/21/2014 10:58:28 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: Biggirl
my husband and I have not attended a “church” for over 15 years...we read and study our scriptures daily, we have prayer together every day, we live by Faith...
I teach two Bible studies in our home every week and have for years...we keep Yahweh's holy Feast days and His Sabbath. The Father has been faithful to answer many of our prayers with miracles and has kept us in our old age. After many years of observation and participation with the organized church I see great deception and weakness. The Catholic church began at the Nicean Council in 325AD with the Roman Emperor Constantine and then the Protestant church was an anti Semitic breakaway with the same traditions and doctrines of man. The first Believers met in homes without the big business aspect of paying the clergy and building up man's doctrines and traditions. I guess I am a purist but I have to tell you it is sooo freeing to be out of religion. I believe and stand on the Gospel that was preached by Jesus himself and His disciples not the gospel the church preaches...and before everyone jumps down my throat, don't challenge me unless you know the gospel Jesus preached and the Kingdom of God is a cop out...I want to hear the FULL gospel. I know it...do you? probably not, because your “church” doesn't teach it and I am not being a smart aleck, as this has grieved my heart for years...It took courage for me to leave the “church” and depend on God and God alone for His promised guidance...He has been more than faithful...
86 posted on 06/21/2014 11:45:57 AM PDT by ladyL
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To: delchiante

“Brother I explained the worship and I said I observe the biblical, scriptural calendar- the one that He gave us in His sky- with the sun, moon and stars as signs, seasons, days and years..”

1) Where is the proof I asked for regarding that the supposed “worship” of the calendar?

2) What month is this? And what is the date?


87 posted on 06/21/2014 1:19:01 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: delchiante

“The presbyterian daughters adopted the sun worship calendar and holy days from their mother, not from scripture..That my friend, is worship...And it isn’t worship in Spirit or Truth..”

Do you celebrate Independence Day (4th of July)? Where is that in scripture?

Also, in what book of your Bible do you find Hanukkah?


88 posted on 06/21/2014 1:23:55 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: delchiante

B.S.


89 posted on 06/21/2014 1:29:54 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Nonsense. She went for years without perceptible consolation in prayer. That’s not the same thing as “not having a relationship with Jesus.”

I believe she admitted in her book that she was lacking in a relationship with Jesus...

As for her “never having led a soul to Christ,” I have a two-word answer: Malcolm Muggeridge. And, oh, several million other people.

I believe she admitted she didn't talk to these sick people about Jesus...She was concerned with their physical suffering, not their spiritual welfare...

Did Chick write about Teresa??? What'd he say???

90 posted on 06/21/2014 2:37:56 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: vladimir998

No, not any more..

Abortionists, hollywood, porn industry and the music industry enjoy that day too, as it is their day to celebrate their freedom and liberty they have been ‘blessed’ with..

They love their freedom and liberty too and America is the ‘greatest example of secular humanism there is today.and that is the religion today..

but that freedom and liberty in the hands of the unrighteous, you get america...

That is not the same freedom and liberty our Messiah gives us- and we can celebrate that liberty and freedom everyday..

But people love their holy days...all man made traditions in substitute for His, but the world is a place for conforming...

Nope, I don’t observe Hannukkah- there is a day somewhere in there that would be a Sabbath though..

I observe His calendar. The template is in Ezekiel 46:1.. new moon, six work days, sabbath.. and count...

And His feasts just happen to fall on His Sabbaths in the first and seventh months (15th day of the month) and the sabbaths fall on the same daya the other months too just like the first and seventh month of those feasts..He doesn’t change..

And I am a Gentile. I don’t sleep in a tent or eat unleavened bread for seven days... But I know when the feasts occur (Jews happen to be off a month from when Moses and Messiah observed them -but that is interesting in and of itself as the earth has wobbled and affected the timing of when the sun enters into the star constellations..)..

and I see the Messiah in each of those appointed and set times..
They were given to Israel as rehearsals and shadows for the coming King and Kingdom after all...
And the best part? Scripture tells us what those days mean in His life..some hinted at but if I can find them, anyone can...

The Word became flesh was born on a new moon, Sabbath or a feast.

The Word became flesh was circumcised on a new moon,Sabbath or feast.

The Word became flesh was dedicated in the temple on a new moon, sabbath or feast..

The Word became flesh was baptized on a new moon, Sabbath or feast.

The Word became flesh was killed on a new moon, Sabbath or feast.

The Word became flesh laid in the tomb on a new moon, Sabbath or feast.

The Word became flesh rose from the dead on a new moon, Sabbath or feast.

All searchable and findable.. and all better than what the church tells people...
Us believers could actually move Jews to sincere jealousy as we can tell them why their ‘day of atonement’ is on the day it is- and what the Messiah did for them through their rehearsals of the new moons, Sabbaths and feasts..(or really annoy them)
Or why circumcisions are on the day they are for them in their law.. or what 40 days represents...

And for the record, I shouldn’t know any of this except for me having the Most Perfect teacher a believer can have...
And His Spirit will move anyone to this if He moved me...

And I pray more believers ask, seek and knock...

The church says the Word became flesh and was born on december 25, died on good Freya Day and raised on easter Sunday..

Knowing His calendar means knowing the major events in the Messiah’s life..
Not knowing His calendar means missing a lot of the major events in the Messiah’s life that could be observed today instead of things like the July 4th holy day...


91 posted on 06/21/2014 3:34:14 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: NKP_Vet; ladyL

>>font color=blue>Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.</font>


92 posted on 06/21/2014 4:16:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Iscool
To her it seemed to be “whatever”

"If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are. ... What God is in your mind you must accept" (from Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work , by Desmond Doig, p. 156, as quoted by Dave Hunt, Global Peace and the Rise of Antichrist , p. 149).

93 posted on 06/21/2014 4:20:41 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Salvation
>> If his wife dies, however, and he has been ordained a Catholic priest, he cannot remarry.<<

Wait, what? So it is a requirement of the church they not be married? So those Catholics who tell us different are wrong?

94 posted on 06/21/2014 4:23:45 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: sasportas

Yeah but Protestants don’t care because we are right.


95 posted on 06/21/2014 4:23:58 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: ladyL
Well said! I’m with on that whole thing. We also do not attend one of the mainline or organized religions.

“where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them”.

96 posted on 06/21/2014 4:30:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: little jeremiah
The problem with Mother Theresa isn't God's silence to her (though that might have been a symptom), it was stuff like this:

"If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are. ... What God is in your mind you must accept" (from Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work , by Desmond Doig, p. 156, as quoted by Dave Hunt, Global Peace and the Rise of Antichrist , p. 149).

This is an anti-Christian sentiment. We do not acknowledge salvation outside of Jesus Christ. She can help as many people as she wants physically, but if she let their souls die since Islam is equal to Christianity or whatnot, then she is cursed to hell.

97 posted on 06/21/2014 5:08:55 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You certainly are not one to judge Mother Theresa, considering your behavior on the Ukraine threads.

‘Nuff said.


98 posted on 06/21/2014 5:21:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: AppyPappy
Yeah but Protestants don’t care because we are right.

Don't care? Well, Protestants who know their Bibles do think of the claims of pompous Romanists as just so much noise, static. Scripture refutes the RCC, so in that sense, I guess we don't care. Romanism is but a form of paganized totalitarian Christianity masquerading as the church Christ founded. We know the truth, we know who's right...more importantly, WHAT'S right, the word of God.

99 posted on 06/21/2014 5:22:46 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Plus, since that is not a direct quote, but from Desmond TooToo, I’ll wait until I see another source.


100 posted on 06/21/2014 5:22:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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